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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 68 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

These fucking things always tip-toe around the issue anyone wants a VPN for: Piracy.

Are you pirating shit? Yes? Use a VPN.

[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Are you pirating shit? Yes? Use a VPN.

I pirate and seed shit from Mexico no issues without VPN... My only headache is CGNAT.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)
[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sadly the country has a lot of other shit to worry about, I don't expect that to change in the short or long time lol.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

You'd be surprised how terrible politician priorities are

[–] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

CGNAT

I am so sorry. How do you usually circumvent that bs ?

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Depending on your ISP sometimes you can just call them, ask to opt out of cg-nat and they will do it for free.

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[–] mayhair@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

and you don't live in a third world country 🙃

[–] nayminlwin@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Hooray for third world freedom. I've been raw-dogging torrent for years.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Are you pirating shit? No? Guess what, use a VPN!

[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I mean, legit true though. A lot of ISPs are selling your data now too.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I like how the article boils down to, "Except for some isolated use cases, Tor is far superior to a VPN in both cost and safety," and a lot of the comments boil down to "YEAH VPNS ARE GREAT GET A VPN."

It is okay to read the article before writing a comment, guys. In some circles, it's even encouraged, because you might learn something.

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Except many services are very aggressive to Tor exit nodes, namely Google and Cloudflare. Everytime I just met with CAPTCHA after CAPTCHAs, and eventually I gave up on the site.

Yeah, I should cut ties with Google but cutting YouTube on NewPipe is hard. I'm on Proton and watching YouTube is already hard.

[–] ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

You may want to give Freetube a try, which may avoid that issue (especially if combined with libredirect).

Got the captcha endless wave yesterday using freetube on linux until I changed VPN nodes. I don't think it's proxying (not checked though)

[–] Oestradiolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The latest captchas and cloudflare-turnstile approve you because the google-cloud flare networks have already determined who you are as an individual and just wave you through.

Tor gets the checks because they don’t know who you are and are seeing you for the first time. Getting a captcha means your privacy strategy is working.

[–] umami_wasbi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is working so well that I get an infinite loop of it on the same page.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah the whole logic of "If I protect my privacy effectively, I won't be able to use Google services anymore! O woe" is a little bit strange to me.

[–] OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know if your full of shit or this is legit. I really think this is legit.

[–] Oestradiolo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s a massive oversimplification. But with captcha systems everywhere, they’re able to see you visit a newspaper, visit the journal site, try to download a journal pdf, and captcha is able to easily conclude that you’re a human and have automatic approval.

Maybe if you’re going straight to a site for the first time today it would measure your single mouse click. And then from there tracking you across the Internet, assuming you’re online for maybe 6 hours like 99% of connected humans.

Tor blocks all the fingerprinting, and anonymizes the ip address. Captcha is only able to see a computer arrive at the website requesting access. Captcha’s only tool is to give challenges which the bots are able to beat. So they make you run the challenge multiple times, seeing how long it takes your or randomizing how many times you’re willing to do them.

Source: some tech YouTuber did a mini documentary about it. You could watch it yourself I assume.

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

and anonymizes the ip address.

The hell it does, it's the exit node's IP address, nothing anonymous about that.... and that's the problem, they know it's a Tor exit node so they'll give you extra shit for it.

[–] pineapple@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I've had the same experience with vpn's requiring a captcha for every second website I visit.

[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't just use Tor, use VPN on top of it.

If you use tor frequently, you'd eventually get a bad "roll of dice" on the nodes and get 3 government run nodes. Its not a matter of "if" but "when", roll the dice enough times, and the holes in the "swiss cheese" eventually line up.

If you are using Tor, also use a VPN along with it. It might make the traffic a little slower, but its worth it in case you get 3 NSA nodes.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Doesn't it mean there's only 1 node NSA has to attack - your VPN?

Kinda renders Tor over it pointless.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Better than 0 nodes, and this is not counting that they already attacked 3.

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[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If you're looking for a VPN, check out Mullvad.

It's just €5 / $5.25 / £4.15 a month. They haven't changed that price since launching in 2009. So they've also been around a while. Does everything you need a VPN to do. And they're based in Sweden, which seems to have some good privacy rules. They also don't keep logs.

[–] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No port forward though (I understand why but it is still annoying)

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What would be the benefit of port forwarding?

Is this something you could do on your router on your side, making it so it doesn't matter if they dont do it?

[–] heyixen815@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Torrenting, can reach more peers. Especially helpful for older, less popular torrents.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do new torrents bypass this somehow, or is it just by sheer volume and popularity ?

[–] heyixen815@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

The latter. Seedboxes are becoming more popular these days, which might be good for future torrent preservation. But if you have a niche or old school taste, you are gonna have a hard time without port forwarding.

[–] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Sadly doing it on the router would not be enough. Not a problem if you are browsing of course. But if you host, needs to listen on a specific port or whatever it gets annoying. And obviously piracy.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I love the ultra paranoid path Proton offers. It reminds me.of GoldenEye.

You -> VPN Server 1 -> VPN Server 2 -> TOR -> endpoint.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 22 points 1 month ago

"Good luck, I'm behind 7 proxies!"

[–] DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Tailscale is the best VPN that exists rn.

[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why did you not include DPI spoofing?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I guess it refers to things like GoodbyeDPI. A lot of people use it to watch Youtube after it got "slowed" rather than using a VPN.

Edit: also realized that meant obfuscation protocols like VLESS because VPN protocols are stupid easy to block.

[–] SanndyTheManndy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Getting around deep packet inspection.

[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat 10 points 1 month ago (12 children)
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[–] kitnaht@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Windscribe $2/mo. Also supports Wireguard. I don't even use their dumbass client, I just export a profile for Wireguard - which is quite a bit faster than OpenVPN

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