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submitted 2 years ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world

Summary

Churches across the U.S. are grappling with dwindling attendance and financial instability, forcing many to close or sell properties.

The Diocese of Buffalo has shut down 100 parishes since the 2000s and plans to close 70 more. Nationwide, church membership has dropped from 80% in the 1940s to 45% today.

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

Others, like Calcium Church in New York, make cutbacks to stay open. Leaders warn of the long-term risks of declining community and support for churches.

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[-] hydrashok@sh.itjust.works 279 points 2 years ago
[-] BroBot9000@lemmy.world 173 points 2 years ago

Great news! Maybe we can finally tax these cults as well.

[-] ryan213@lemmy.ca 70 points 2 years ago

Taxing them would force more closures. Do it.

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[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 136 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

As churches decline we're losing what is, essentially, a free communal space. Church was a place where people built community.

We need to replace it with something, not just cheer because a shitty religion is dying.

[-] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 119 points 2 years ago

So you're saying we should have more boardgaming conventions?

I'm all in on that proposal.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 27 points 2 years ago

Missed you at the latest city council meeting. See you at the next one!

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[-] callouscomic@lemm.ee 86 points 2 years ago

That "community" is a judgmental indoctrinating shithole that destroys people.

Good riddance.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 50 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Okay, but that community also kept me from being homeless as a child. I got to eat food when otherwise I wouldn't.

We need to replace it, we can't just let community die with nothing in its place.

[-] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Yes. Schools and libraries.

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[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 37 points 2 years ago

We'll replace it with more commercial real estate squatting.

See you in the Library.

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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately the internet is now the new 3rd space.

Religion advocated for bad policies in government which dug their own grave.

I don't feel bad they're closing down.

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[-] LordCrom@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

Like , say, a community center? I took karate when I was 12 at my local community center.

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[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 years ago

My daughters (public) school choir had to pay $2500 to rent a church for their winter performance last year. Well, didn't have to, but the teacher wanted a different space than the school and apparently everyone thought that was an acceptable amount of money for a 2 hour performance. I was pretty upset when I learned the cost.

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[-] esc27@lemmy.world 121 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Boardroom meme:

Boss: Church attendance is down. What can we do to turn this around?

Person 1: discreetly move pedophile pastors around to hide their proclivities?

Person 2: assure the congregation that we still hate gay people

Person 3: follow the teachings of Christ and show love and charity to our neighbors regardless of who they are

Person 3 is thrown out the stained glass window.

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[-] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago

Pit of vipers closes due to insufficient snakebite volunteers.

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[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Some churches repurpose their land to survive, like Atlanta’s First United Methodist Church, which is building affordable housing.

That's something more churches should do. They always preach about "helping the poor" but most don't give a fuck.

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 years ago

If every church took in two homeless people, there would be no homeless in America...

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[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 64 points 2 years ago

churches are closing

Good

Leaders warn of the risks

The risks of what? The risk of not returning to the dark ages where we damn near all believed the imaginary writings of goat herders and killed for that?

Thanks, no thanks, I love that risk.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

I think the risk more is the bad theology and idol worship that American Christianity is becoming. It’s sorta like how almost all mega churches are “non denominational.” There’s not a commitment to an actual ideology or set of religious beliefs, it’s become a strange cult fixated on Trump. It’s more dangerous in some ways because it’s less predictable. Being a “Christian” has nothing to do with believing that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, it’s more a conservative White identity status.

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[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

The small churches that are more likely to actually be charitable and are more likely to be inclusive will shut down. The bigot-run megachurches will be just fine.

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[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 47 points 2 years ago

Crazy that it takes the church shitting down for them to actually follow gods message of giving to the poor.

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[-] Kalysta@lemm.ee 46 points 2 years ago

And yet, somehow, they still make all the policy in this country.

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[-] WhatSay@slrpnk.net 45 points 2 years ago

Interesting that they can't stay afloat financially, because they don't pay taxes.

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[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

The internet is killing God but giving birth to a new age of conspiracy theorists.

So, not much has changed.

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[-] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago

I pray to God everyday that i can live long enough to witness the day humanity completely abandons religion. Inshallah🙏

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[-] Chessmasterrex@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

From what it seems to me, the megachurches are doing okay. It's the more traditional denominations that are suffering. Overall religion might be on a decline, but certain sects are flourishing. One silver lining about some of the megachurches is that they're led by a strong personality and once they're gone, the whole organization putters out. They're more organized around an individual than a theology.

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[-] Antiproton@programming.dev 36 points 2 years ago

Oh no! So, anyway...

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago

And some are forced to sell off the massive amount of prime real estate they were totally going to build churches on and not pay any taxes on the profits....

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

45% is considerably higher than I expected. I thought it would be closer to 10-15%.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 35 points 2 years ago

Membership is not the same as attendance, and it's WAY less than the number of people giving financially.

I was a preacher at a 1200-member church that had weekly attendance around 150-200.

And based on the demographics of the area, we received less than 1% of the annual income for those who did attend regularly.

The thing about churches is that they don't require payment of any kind, and kind people will dedicate time and effort in a very loving way that is inefficient, when what we really need is cash.

My go-to example is the quilting ladies who spend 40 hours each on handmade quilts using expensive materials to give to the poor. It's extremely kind and their work is exquisite, but with the money spent making those quilts for 20 people, we could buy blankets, a couple weeks of food, and new clothing for 50 full families.

The thing about giving money, though, is that it feels impersonal to the person giving the gift. This is also why the poor should be taken care of through taxation. Taking care of people's basic needs shouldn't need to feel intimate and spiritual - it should be routine and boring.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Mega churches are still going strong though. There definitely needs to be a way (other than taxes because separation of church and state is impt) to get churches to spend that money back in the community, but instead it just ends up enriching the owners and investors. If there was anything which needed an anti-corruption intervention.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

Churches should be tax exempt only so far as they are demonstrably charitable. All other income should be taxed. The taxes should go to fund abortion and gender affirmation surgeries.

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[-] taiyang@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago

Goes hand in hand with a similar story I heard about a month ago regarding a shortage of pastors. Apparently it's so bad, quite a few have to lead sermons at multiple churches and many simply skip some weeks. Also less trained people taking up the role, whatever that means anyway.

Honestly, get ratio'd, cultists.

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[-] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 years ago

No, don't close your damn doors, open them up to the homeless. Make these useless buildings good for something!

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[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Best news I've heard all day

[-] putainsdetoiles@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago

Good! Fuck 'em!

[-] alzjim@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago

Hallelujah!

[-] robocall@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago
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[-] satans_methpipe@lemmy.world 20 points 2 years ago

I have a better idea. Seize the land and assets of the churches. They haven't contributed their fair share of taxes, so the land belongs to us.

Next seize the homes and bank accounts of the pastors and clergy and the holy rapists (or whatever they call themselves). Indict them in international courts for crimes against humanity. Offer them plea deals for them to work in their seized homes that are now converted to public housing.

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