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[–] RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 146 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)
[–] dellish@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My first thought also, and I strongly recommend Ken Burns' Vietnam War doco to those who haven't seen it - that's where I first learned of Nixon's unforgivable treason (about this particular topic... not to mention his other treasons).

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 5 points 2 months ago

See also Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail by HST.

[–] cranakis@reddthat.com 142 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

Democrats let it happen and let it slide after the fact. The GOP is criminal. The Democrats are just lazy and weak.

Unger reserved his most intense criticism for the Washington Post, which owned Newsweek at the time and, he says, had an outsize role in quietly killing the story. He’s also equally critical of Congressional Democrats, who he claims never pursued the dramatic charges as earnestly as they should have.

“Democrats were lap dogs,” Unger said

From here:https://www.press.org/newsroom/media-covered-1980-iran-hostage-deal-october-surprise-author-tells-club

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 49 points 2 months ago

Damn, nothing has changed

[–] VoidBorn@lemmings.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And this is why the lesser evil is still evil.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 4 points 2 months ago

When the majority of our voting public just chose the GREATER evil in all three branches of government, the lesser evil is still significant harm reduction.

And if the lesser evil had won all three branches of the federal government, maybe we’d instead be talking about how the voters sent a signal that the greater evil needs to tone down all the evil, and things can move in the right direction.

But nope, let’s just pull the lever on the max-evil slot machine to see whether we end up ma more in cyberpunk, nazis, or mad max!

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Democrats serve the rich class. They're a red herring to make us believe that we are a democracy

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 135 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Then they committed treason again with Iran Contra

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 74 points 2 months ago

GOP: Oops, all treason

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 45 points 2 months ago

I'm not young and there isn't a time in my life when the GOP wasn't somehow treasonous

[–] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 months ago

Ollie North! Ollie North! He's a soldier! And a hero! And a novelist! And now he's on Fox Neeeeeews!

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 months ago

Deplorables doing deplorable things.

[–] Coach@lemmy.world 70 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"This was genuine treason by the GOP."

Nah...just a typical Wednesday for them.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 48 points 2 months ago

Two things can be true

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

I mean - not really. It was pretty bold at the time.

Now, yes. Because nothing was ever done about it and no accountability etc.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 54 points 2 months ago

especially given iran contra drugs for guns. The whole thing is unbelievable and the historic thing has been. shrug.

[–] TwoFacedJanus1968@lemmy.world 43 points 2 months ago

It was not unprecedented. Nixon sabotaged the Vietnam War peace talks to get elected too. Don't think that has ever been addressed very well either.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 2 months ago (3 children)

I bet you the exact same is happening with Nethanyanhu and Trump.

I think you mean Putin and Trump. Netanyahu isnt at war, they're committing genocide.

[–] Etterra@discuss.online 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nothing new here. Regan was the flashpoint of the dumpster fire that is America now. Nixon was just the match. Trump is a tanker truck full of napalm.

[–] fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I wouldn't give Trump that much credit (yet), the damage done by Reagan was far greater (disregarding social/demographic, which I mostly blame the attention industry of). But we'll see how much damage he does this time, maybe he "trumps" Reagan...

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He's speaking openly about imprisoning political opponents and even members of his own party that didn't bend the knee. And now the Courts he packed are backing up his claims to absolute immunity.

He even said people will no longer "need to vote" after he's done.

The best hope for America right now is an aneurysm.

Yeah definitely, it could escalate to a complete shit-show unfortunately, as they even got senate and house as well... I'm lucky currently that I'm european, not that politics is heading in the right direction, but we're not yet at autocratic level as could happen in the USA...

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 4 points 2 months ago

Somehow its still democrats' fault.

[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why is media and news so important? It controls the recording of history.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

When a large majority of media conglomerates being conservative, like the Sinclaire group, it makes sharing this news with Americans very difficult.

Throw in education restrictions to keep kids from learning about these events in school, you've got a steep uphill battle to raise awareness.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

They keep doing it. And then they do other shady shit like schedule the pulling of troops out of ~~Syria~~ Afghanistan for next year because it won't be their problem by then. 🤷‍♂️

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

lmfao I had a feeling something was off when I wrote that and didn't give it a second thought. But yes, thank you!

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Luckily, your Democrat party is like "it is beneath us us to even notice such filth".

It's not very effective though.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

A sacrifice to the elite, for the greater good of wealth concentration, the gods of greed demanded it.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The efforts of the chaos gods Khorne, Nurgle, Tzeentch, hell even the might Cthulhu, pail in comparison to the power of Mammon!

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[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Oh, are we counting treasons again? I guess mid-century modern is actually a thing now. Good, it’s a nice aesthetic. Bell bottoms and protest, fuck yeah.

Maybe this time we can follow through, eh? We’ve seen what happens when we don’t.

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