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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this.)

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[–] rook@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Apparently, the OpenMandriva folk (the inheritors of the venerable mandrake/mandriva Linux distro) are now best buddies with Bryan Lunduke (right wing tech grifter and q-anon fan) are decrying the left wing bias of Linux projects with a hilarious “wokeOS shell”

Archive of openmandriva forum post: https://archive.is/2025.01.11-001057/https://forum.openmandriva.org/t/came-here-from-lunduke/5516/1

Lovely juxtaposition of “let’s stick it to the gay fags” and “we’re accepting of everyone and there’s no hate here”. Seems like a classy community all round. It’s a little sad to see how mandrake ended up, but there you go.

WokeOS here: https://web.archive.org/web/20250110234818/https://lindev.ch/wokeos.cpp

It’s pretty tedious and unimaginative. No idea who lindev are.

(eta: wasn’t me who originally found this, but I’m never quite sure whether it’s ok to include sources for this sort of thing given the subject. on the other hand, the op has it as public post that’s been boosted a bunch of times, so here it is: https://tech.lgbt/@GeopJr/113807022917800887)

[–] mii@awful.systems 5 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Bryan Lunduke

Holy shit, the Linux Action Show guy? I remember listening to that podcast occasionally fifteen years ago and found it quite entertaining.

I had no idea he was even still around, let alone going techfash.

[–] nightsky@awful.systems 3 points 6 days ago

Thanks for the heads-up. I couldn't finish reading through all postings in that forum thread, it's all just making me so tired... always the same shit.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago (4 children)
[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I think it could be very valuable to alignment-pill these people.

Zoom and enhance!

alignment-pill

The inability to hear what their own words sound like is terminal. At this stage, we can only provide palliative care, i.e., shoving into lockers.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 6 days ago

Man, now I'm bummed that I don't have a cult trying to distribute translations of my Daria fic in which Jane becomes Hell Priest of the Cenobites.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago

big sending bibles to north korea energy

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago

people in the Russian-speaking EA community are all busy with other things.

i.e. working for Putin, running from Putin, or dying for Putin

[–] BigMuffin69@awful.systems 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Lmaou. "We need to alignment pill the Russian youth." Fast forward to the year 20XX and the haunted alignment pilled adults are now 'aligning' their bots to the world's top nuclear armed despot.

tony_soprano_how_could_this_happen.jpg (for some reason awful systems won't let me upload pictures anymore (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ)

Holy Moses in heaven, iirc both Sam and Dario have said that their urge to build the torment nexus came from being inspired by online RAT forums. Maybe alignment 'pilling' youths is counterproductive to human flourishing? As the LWers say, "update your priors fuckheads"

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

please excuse me while I infinitely recursively scream into the void

Large Generative AI Models in telecommunications

(this shit has been getting airtime at a couple of different networking conferences, and it's all as ridiculous and pointless as you'd blindly guess)

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

It still has to go through peer review, so I fully expect one (1) accepted paper with the title "Large Generative AI Models in Telecommunications - What? No. Why? No!"

Hit me up if you want to collaborate on one lol

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Here's a start:

Given their enormous environmental cost and their foundation upon exploited labor, justifying the use of Large Generative AI Models in telecommunications is an uphill task. Since their output is, in the technical sense of the term, bullshit, climbing that hill has no merit.

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Since their output is, in the technical sense of the term, bullshit [1],

== References

[1] Frankfurt H. On Bullshit. Raritan Quarterly Review 1986; 6:81-100.

Let's start collecting a bibliography

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

here have incomprehensible meme

inb4

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I love the leaves and gold meme and I use it constantly even though quite literally no one ever understands it, so, thank you, now I know there's two of us.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 days ago

Zapisz obrazek jako ahgsfds doesn't translate well, i think that's why

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

eyelid twitching

sure, we barely understand all applicable bio systems, let's have some shitty model dream up answers on how things work! it'll go great

Much as a chatbot can discern style and perhaps even meaning from huge volumes of written language,

going to have to add this author to the List, aren't I

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

they are gonna bridge gaps in fundamental knowledge of cell biology using innovative approach of making shit up

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 5 days ago

gonna add a whole new weight to "lying synthesis machines" :|

[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (6 children)

An update to my post about facebook from yesterday; turns out it's much worse:

https://transparency.meta.com/policies/community-standards/hateful-conduct/

[Do not post} Insults, including those about [...] Mental characteristics, including but not limited to allegations of stupidity, intellectual capacity, and mental illness, and unsupported comparisons between PC groups on the basis of inherent intellectual capacity. We do allow allegations of mental illness or abnormality when based on gender or sexual orientation, given political and religious discourse about transgenderism and homosexuality and common non-serious usage of words like “weird.”

You can see the full diff from last version if you click "Jan 8, 2025" and yeah it's a doozy.

Like many here on awful.systems I have a pretty thick skin, but reading the above put me in a really weird mood all day. I couldn't really concentrate on work. It's hard to believe that they published this with a straight face, and harder to believe that the media isn't dunking on them for it.

On the bright side the policy technically lets you go around calling people insane for being straight or cisgender* if anyone is still on there and wants to get banned from that platform in a blaze of glory.

* or indeed simply having a gender and I'm not sure fascists know how to use words right.

[–] self@awful.systems 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Like many here on awful.systems I have a pretty thick skin, but reading the above put me in a really weird mood all day.

same here. the thing is, I think a lot of us are on awful.systems because we’ve seen far too much of how fascism operates and spreads online. this is an antifascist place; it’s so core to the mission that we don’t publish it as a policy (because a policy can be argued against and twisted and the fash kids love doing that), we just demonstrate it in a way that can’t be ignored. so seeing the first or second (I don’t keep track of these things) most popular social media platform publish a policy whose only purpose is to be used as a weapon against marginalized people, for it to be written in a matter-of-fact “this is just how it is” way, and for essentially nobody outside of the fediverse to push back on it in any real way — that is shocking.

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[–] sailor_sega_saturn@awful.systems 19 points 1 week ago (16 children)

Zuck wants to get back to his roots

It's time to get back to our roots around free expression and giving people voice on our platforms. Here's what we're going to do: [...] 5/ Move our trust and safety and content moderation teams out of California, and our US content review to Texas. This will help remove the concern that biased employees are overly censoring content.

Narrator: this announcement did not, in fact, ease concerns about bias.

[–] maol@awful.systems 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Isn't this just an economic move dressed up as an ideological one?

If only all those sneaker companies had thought to say they had to move their factories from America to Chinese sweatshops because American workers were too woke.

Trick question; it's both an economic move and an ideological move.

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