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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 17 points 6 hours ago

Why the fuck you lying? Stop fucking lying. Why you always lying?

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 44 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

This is not "false" this is just "pants on fire lying"

This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore

Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can't be responsible, you can't have the right. You either speak the truth or don't get to speak to groups, period

I'm SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that's fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that's fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it's all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can't trust anything or anyone anymore

Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

It's not freedom of expression that's the issue here; it's the devaluation of responsible public influence such as (but not limited to) quality journalism. Lots of news agencies that used to be reputable are either going out of business or getting bought out by shady people. Hicks (I should know) have always been able to stand at the edge of their property yelling bullshit. The problem is people started listening and putting them up in the town square to yell bullshit (sometimes they even get paid!).

[–] Rookeh@startrek.website 2 points 7 hours ago

Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.

[–] skip0110@lemm.ee 110 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

The original post has 58k views, the correct information has 2k. That is the level of efficiency that site has in disseminating correct information.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 16 points 10 hours ago

The timestamps imply the correct information is less than an hour old in that screenshot

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 125 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (10 children)

This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.

If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is "who stopped them?". There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.

Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they've heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.

This post doesn't hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 46 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (3 children)

A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.

Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.

So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?

Edit - I can't find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Where I live I mostly see this done to support the narrative that immigrants are bad, that you can't trust traditional media, and that you should be voting for the local fascist party.

Afaik the place names and date are not changed here, I suspect because that would make the perpetrators criminally liable. Instead they work by omission: take a many years old crime, don't mention the date but instead post it on facebook as if it only recently happened, in that post question why the media isn't mentioning this event or how the non-fascist politicians could let things get this much out of control, and then boost the post with help from others in the telegram group so that it reaches a wider audience.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 27 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a "news" outlet would just generate content by posting stories like "Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate" every week or so.

Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like "I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!"

Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.

It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.

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[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 54 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!

You expect too much from these people, and an increasing share of them aren't genuine people at all.

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[–] valtia@lemmy.world 13 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

“who stopped them?”. There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California

.. actually, there are checkpoints along every major roadway into California that do check incoming vehicles, mostly to find and prevent invasive species from entering the state and affecting the agricultural industry, and more broadly to protect the environmental systems in California. There have, in fact, been legal challenges against these checkpoints for violating travel laws, but the checkpoints have remained. They've also been used to seize non-agricultural items like weed, weapons smuggling, etc. so emissions standards checking isn't completely out of the realm.

Obviously, she's lying and she doesn't know any of this either anyway. But there are checkpoints to enter California.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations

[–] Captain_CapsLock@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I can't speak for all of them, but the I5 border station near the Oregon border hasn't even been manned in several years. This gal is so full of shit.

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[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I like the idea that someone mid fighting the fires, put down thier hose to reposnd to the tweet

[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

The office of the state fire marshal definitely did not put down a fire hose. Or get up from their desk. (or did I get wooshed?)

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

No it's just a funny situation to imagine.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 33 points 13 hours ago

2100 retweets on the lie.
33 on the truth.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 304 points 18 hours ago (7 children)

It's not like there's a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy's claim doesn't make sense even before fact checking.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 121 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

There is a border check entering CA but they only ask about fruits and vegetables.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 64 points 18 hours ago (8 children)

Wow it's true: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Border_Protection_Stations

I don't think any other US state has checkpoints. This is a surprise to me.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 67 points 17 hours ago

California grows like 40% of the vegetables for the entire country. So they're very protective of their agriculture.

[–] Carvex@lemmy.world 39 points 17 hours ago (6 children)

Florida has a checkpoint for plants and possible invasive species, definitely not for firetrucks helping people though.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 19 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I mean I wouldn't ever live in California, but not because of what these talking maga skin piles keep saying. I just revise to live in a disaster-prone region. I mean California has a fire season. Fuuuuuck that. Same goes for hurricane territory.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 10 points 10 hours ago (10 children)

Well, let us know when you find somewhere that doesn't have fire season, earthquakes, tornado season, hurricane season, blizzards, or avalanches.

[–] meowMix2525@lemm.ee 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)
[–] nonfuinoncuro@lemm.ee 1 points 6 hours ago

we're not in Kansas anymore

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[–] SomeKindaName@lemmy.world 10 points 11 hours ago

It didn't used to be anything like this. Hell, when I was younger it would rain in June. Climate change.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Is that Threads? Threads is a cesspool of incessant lies, rage- and engagement bait.

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

how do we even come back from this

[–] Feelfold@lemm.ee 27 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

The French had a similar issue in the tail end of the 1700's, perhaps we could draw inspiration from their work.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 54 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

At the risk of being called an accelerationist, the fact of the matter is that the only way out is through.

[–] limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I just assume things cannot be controlled, there is no direction, and the majority of the human race will be swimming in lies, disinformation and cat memes fur generations

[–] pufferfischerpulver@feddit.org 20 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Fur real? I think you're purrbably right.

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[–] Naich@lemmings.world 123 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Too late. It's already become true, and another example of wokeness for your racist uncle to bang on about.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 79 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

This is exactly why so many things just feel hopeless to me. The worst people have caught on to, and the parrots don't even realize, that you can just say literally anything and the occupants of your echo chamber will believe it immediately and then refuse to believe whatever reality actually is if it is presented to them by literally any other "outsider."

Hell even someone of the "in-group" who is not substantial enough will be outed as an "other" if they dare go against the initial message.

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[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 59 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Anyone politicizing the fires from the comfort of a place that isn’t burning to the ground, should immediately shut the fuck up.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 17 points 14 hours ago

Personally I would go so far as to say that people politicizing the fires from a place that is burning to the ground should probably also immediately shut up and flee the building.

[–] Gerudo@lemm.ee 6 points 12 hours ago

They are inside the fire too, look at Mel Gibson's interview practically WHILE his house was burning.

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[–] WrenFeathers@lemmy.world 37 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Twitter is a right-wing propaganda platform now. Why is everyone surprised by this?

[–] ech@lemm.ee 13 points 13 hours ago

Who is surprised? People are upset. The two are not the same reaction.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 48 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (5 children)

You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.

Driving Californians (particularly the wealthy and well-connected Malibu celebrity class) insane with rage and paranoia, then pointing them at the milquetoast liberal stand-ins for Far-Left Radicalism, will do to California what it did to New York, Texas, and Florida.

Just a matter of time before the right-wing propaganda machine crushes the brains of the enfranchised class. I'm already hearing my mother-in-law blame the stupid Los Angelinos for raising her own home insurance rates. And more than a few coworkers are smugly insisting this is what a DEI fire department gets you.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 37 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

Being a Republican allows you to be a smug.Asshole and call it politics

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