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[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 45 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

America does not care about truth. Worse, it actively discourages truth.

Lying is accepted. Making up facts that suit your narrative and shouting down anyone who disagrees gets you rewarded with the highest position of state.

We, the rest of the world, are just watching you guys in horror.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 22 points 3 hours ago

At Least half of us are basically watching in horror from inside.

[–] IDrawPoorly@lemm.ee 7 points 2 hours ago

America does not care about truth

Show me a country with social media and I'll show you people who value making their political opponents 'look like fools' by lying.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's a post-truth world here in the US!

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 2 points 54 minutes ago

Makes sense. The Internet was the peak of the information age and usually with any cultural push their is the counter culture equivalent. When any truth could be found in seconds we now find ourselves where any opinion can be fed enough backing to feel like a truth.

[–] vga@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 hours ago

It's an tragic fact that correcting a lie is hugely more costly than making and spreading the lie.

[–] mke@programming.dev 20 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

This stupid bitch has since deleted the tweet and gotten back to it like it's another Tuesday. OSFM had to put out a statement correcting it. I hate people.

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

she deleted the original tweet, then reposted it again.

[–] mke@programming.dev 10 points 2 hours ago

My bad, you're right. I tried to check first, but I didn't have the patience to scroll past her claiming America Is So Back because "Starbucks kicked homeless people out of bathrooms," so I ended up not seeing the reposted tweet.

She lies, runs away from OSFM, gets community noted, and still, in the replies:

Um, this is 100% TRUE and WOKE Oregon seems to be covering for WOKE California. Leftists stick together.

There are many people whose work and ideas I deeply respect, but even in my weakest moments, I couldn't possibly idolize them like this useless waste of oxygen does gargling on Trump's ballsack every day.

Because I'm a horrible person, I can foresee that there's zero chance I'll die before doing something monumentally stupid. My greatest shame is realizing it probably won't be as effective as what Luigi did.

[–] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

This is something AI would be good for

Have it search for specific misinformation and reply with a canned response with sources using an official account.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Or someone can just train an AI to spit out more misinformation.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

And so, the bot wars started

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 2 points 50 minutes ago

We're years in at this point.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 3 points 2 hours ago

Or someone could train a bot to exaggerate misinformation from known liars

Community note: In fact, Oregon sent over 420 fire trucks but due to the rampage of the woke chupacabra and the cannibals of the northern California mountains, only 69 made it as far south as Sacramento. At that point California officials realized that Oregon actually sent minivans full of weed and spent the weekend hotboxing, using the Jewish space laser that started the fires on the "defrost" setting to heat up the marijuana.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 12 points 4 hours ago

Bot? How do we know that isn't just another of Elon's alts?

I suppose somebody could check if she's called him a good father recently...

[–] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Right wingers haven't cared about the truth for decades. It's just now they don't care whether we know it or not. Just think back to Trump's first term and "alternate truths" and all that. They don't care anymore. They believe what they want to believe, and no amount of facts or reasoning is going to change it.

But yes, everyone lies. Some people just more than others and some will lie to your face with a smirk on their face knowing damn well you know they're lying.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

since they repealed the Fairness Doctrine (not that it was perfect) in the late 80s when they realized that balanced reporting was one of the things that forced Nixon's resignation

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 26 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Why the fuck you lying? Stop fucking lying. Why you always lying?

[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Money, grifting is the way the right makes lots of money.

[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I swear half of the right wing pundits on YouTube are just doing it for the ad revenue. They see that people are mad about right wing crazies so they act like they are right wing so they can clicks

Sometimes you can see their mask slip.

Andrew Tate, that Pearl lady. Both have accidentally smiled in interviews at times that signal they are trolling

[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 1 points 50 minutes ago

Yes. It's always about doing what makes money cause money will make you righteous in the end anyways. You can purchase your way to heaven as long as you are ok with it being sponsored by your corporation of choice.

[–] skip0110@lemm.ee 133 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

The original post has 58k views, the correct information has 2k. That is the level of efficiency that site has in disseminating correct information.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 46 minutes ago

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 7 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 20 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The timestamps imply the correct information is less than an hour old in that screenshot

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 hours ago

So is the incorrect information

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 55 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

This is not "false" this is just "pants on fire lying"

This person should not have the freedom to speak publicly anymore

Screw freedom of expression as we currently have it. Freedom of expression should become a right with responsibility. if you can't be responsible, you can't have the right. You either speak the truth or don't get to speak to groups, period

I'm SO done with literally everyone and everything lying with zero repercussions. Companies lie, all fine. Politicians lie like there is no tomorrow and that's fiiiiine, even Obama lied like 25% and that's fiiiiine, trump literally lies 99% of the time and it's all fine! Nothing happens, so we just lie more and more and you can't trust anything or anyone anymore

Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake

[–] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Who decides what is true though? In China the gov't ensures no 'misinformation' is spread on their social platforms... Is something like that a good solution for you?

[–] Xer0@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Freedom of expression on the internet was a big mistake

OOF

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 points 14 minutes ago
[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

It's not freedom of expression that's the issue here; it's the devaluation of responsible public influence such as (but not limited to) quality journalism. Lots of news agencies that used to be reputable are either going out of business or getting bought out by shady people. Hicks (I should know) have always been able to stand at the edge of their property yelling bullshit. The problem is people started listening and putting them up in the town square to yell bullshit (sometimes they even get paid!).

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Indeed.

If every time the press quoted somebody they gave right alongside it a count of past occasions when they were caught lying, there would a lot less lying because people would be reading their quote, looking at the count of lies next to it and mentally going "bullshit!" for the big liars.

The excess lying going around is because the liars take advantage of people being physically unable of keeping track of the liar-levels and lies they've been caught on of all the "media personalities" (humans are only capable of managing at best around 200 relationships with other entities, so not just family and friends but also personalities one has an opinion about and even brands).

Part of the reason the Press won't do that is because so many of them are also liars (in the sense that they're actual vehicles for Propaganda rather than having Journalistic integrity) but also in many countries legislation such as Anti-slander Legislation means that if they point people's lies out they can get sued, which is costly even if they win, whilst if they say only good things they get no legal costs, so the whole field is tilted towards painting well know personalities wi the the means or influence to sue news media in a positive light - in other words, the system is designed to protect well connect or rich liars and conmen from being exposed in the most widely circulated media.

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 145 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (16 children)

This is a great example of the importance of teaching people critical thinking skills.

If you stop to analyze what was written in this sensationalized post rather than acting on your emotions, the first question that should come into mind is "who stopped them?". There are no checkpoints between Oregon and California where cars are turned away from crossing state lines due to emissions. In fact, that would probably violate federal free travel laws which would supercede any stupid law like that.

Next, consider the source. Is this person trustworthy? Did they provide ample citations to reputable journalistic outlets that verified the factuality of the claims? If not, they may be trying to deceive you with falsehoods or have an ulterior motive for misrepresenting the facts. At best they are repeating claims that they've heard from others and anything they report on should be taken with a grain of salt.

This post doesn't hold up to the slightest amount of scrutiny, but people get fooled every day by crap like this. My advice is that if you hear something that sounds outrageous or too good to be true, stop and think carefully about it for a few minutes, or maybe just wait for another source to report it. Saves you a lot of stress and protects you from endlessly doomscrolling.

[–] limelight79@lemm.ee 58 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (3 children)

A friend of mine posted something on Facebook (reposted from a local list in Arizona) claiming that two people were knocking on doors and beating up people, and one woman was in the hospital as a result. Pictures of the perpetrators and everything.

Something felt off, so I did a quick search on their names. And I found an article from some city in Texas where the same rumor had been circulating about that area. The article clarified that the two people had committed some crimes several years ago and were caught, tried, and convicted already.

So someone took one of these, changed the name of the area, and posted it to the local list. Why do people do this? A form of stochastic terrorism maybe?

Edit - I can't find the post (I think my friend deleted it), but I did still have a tab open with the article about it.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 6 points 9 hours ago

Where I live I mostly see this done to support the narrative that immigrants are bad, that you can't trust traditional media, and that you should be voting for the local fascist party.

Afaik the place names and date are not changed here, I suspect because that would make the perpetrators criminally liable. Instead they work by omission: take a many years old crime, don't mention the date but instead post it on facebook as if it only recently happened, in that post question why the media isn't mentioning this event or how the non-fascist politicians could let things get this much out of control, and then boost the post with help from others in the telegram group so that it reaches a wider audience.

[–] WamGams@lemmy.ca 35 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I have noticed this as well. Back during the early facebook years, a "news" outlet would just generate content by posting stories like "Greenville ranked as the city with highest crime rate" every week or so.

Everybody on my facebook feed would go crazy saying things like "I always knew that town was dangerous, but to hear it outranks New York? TERRIFYING!"

Only issue is that this outlet would have 50 different URLs for the article, all giving a city in a different state (always an immigrant heavy suburb) and those articles would be appear around facebook and nobody would know the wiser.

It costs almost nothing for them to rewrite the world and your perspective about it. The granularity they are now capable of should give us pause.

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[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 67 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

The firetrucks were allowed through but Haitian immigrants ate them!

You expect too much from these people, and an increasing share of them aren't genuine people at all.

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 320 points 1 day ago (23 children)

It's not like there's a state border check for vehicle emissions. You can visit California in a non-California car without an emissions check. Joy's claim doesn't make sense even before fact checking.

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[–] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 23 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I like the idea that someone mid fighting the fires, put down thier hose to reposnd to the tweet

[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The office of the state fire marshal definitely did not put down a fire hose. Or get up from their desk. (or did I get wooshed?)

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

No it's just a funny situation to imagine.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 34 points 18 hours ago

2100 retweets on the lie.
33 on the truth.

[–] lolola@lemmy.blahaj.zone 82 points 22 hours ago (10 children)

how do we even come back from this

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