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[–] unnamedau@lemmy.ca 1 points 18 hours ago

oh i absolutely believe science! will i do anything about it? noa

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The joke is one science, I've never had a good rhythm to begin with! Insomniac my whole life, and we didn't have smartphones when I was young (I'm old).

[–] Mcdolan@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Ya mean on not one science right?

Sorry for being that dick, but it'd irritate me in your position not being let know.

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Is this why my entire life is dissolving into bullshit and I'm failing to function on a daily basis?

[–] Toribor@corndog.social 4 points 1 day ago

People that are happy and energetic all the time: It's easy! Just eat healthy, exercise, and get plenty of sleep.

Me: No.

[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 day ago

Oh I believe Science when it says stuff like that.

I'm not saying I'll do what they tell me to, but I believe them.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I used to read in bed every night. Kept me up late if it was a good story. I read ebooks or Lemmy or even watch some videos in bed now. I generally find myself going to sleep at a decent time. Having a phone seems to not really have affected me and I still get adequate sleep.

However, I've spoken with people that have sensed one stray photon leaking around a curtain and they can’t sleep.

Just hits people differently, I guess.

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Same here! Kindle or my phone never bothered me getting to sleep

[–] AceQuorthon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 111 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I woke up, opened Lemmy, and this was the first post I saw lmao

[–] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] MudMan@fedia.io 136 points 3 days ago (1 children)

But just to be clear, I believe it.

I just don't do it.

[–] Bearsly@lemmy.today 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Science isn't the boss of me. Just my body, mind, and pretty much everything else.

[–] Venator 8 points 2 days ago

reactance theory informs us that whenever a person tells us what to do and how to do it, we respond with defensive defiance because we want to maximize our personal freedom and decision-making.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/do-the-right-thing/201407/giving-people-advice-rarely-works-does?amp

Just cos I know it's good advice doesn't make me want to do it, and if I don't want to do it, I can't, that's just science.

[–] lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 50 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Hackworth@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] lukewarm_ozone@lemmy.today 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hmm, interesting. Somewhat compelling, but:

  • it's a rather small (n=38) Chinese pilot study
  • the effect on the sleep latency is sizable (a latency decrease from 31±14 to 18±12 minutes, effect size of 0.85), but there's no effect on actual sleep duration.
  • the sleep measurements were subjective (sleep diaries, not actigraphy)

I'm also a bit concerned why it's the only study with this methodology in this later meta-analysis - all of the other "behavioral intervention" studies in it experiment with stuff like "extended time-in-bed". In other words, there seems to not have been any followup or replication of this study.

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[–] Thorry84@feddit.nl 89 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Wasn't it confirmed recently to be total nonsense and nothing to do with circadian rhythms? Compared to the sun a phone puts out very little light and the circadian rhythm only respond to slow changes in light, not on and off in a short time.

It's more about your phone keeping your mind active instead of relaxing and going to sleep. But if you already can't sleep because your mind is churning on something, a bit of distraction might actually help. It's very personal and not a clear cut rule on who has trouble sleeping from phone use or when to put down the phone.

So it isn't like using your phone before sleeping will never have an effect on how well you get to sleep. But it has nothing to do with blue light or circadian rhythms.

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think what was proven wrong was the significance of the color of light. The original study had people using iPads at like maximum brightness.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 3 days ago

The migraine afterwards would probably keep me awake, too.

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Probably also varies depending on the type of content people are checking while on their phone. I can stay awake forever playing Balatro while reading usually knocks me out real quick.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The whole "blue light" thing is the new "wifi is going to give you cancer".

[–] renzev@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

tbh almost every time I see a system settings panel or a program that lets you reduce blue light on a schedule, it's always accompanied with a description that sounds like "reducing blue light may help you sleep better". I don't think there are many people touting it as some sort of scientific neurological thing, it's just that many users have a personal preference for reduced blue light at nighttime, and the developers want to accommodate that preference. Not everything has to be backed up by scientific research, sometimes people just like things.

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[–] redwattlebird@lemmings.world 10 points 2 days ago

I read about this as part of my work. I've found that it's more to do with the intensity and closeness of the screen relative to your eyes, i.e. the amount of brightness that reaches your eyes. Even bright red light can keep you awake for a bit longer.

It's also got more to do with your quality of sleep rather than whether or not you get to sleep.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 29 points 2 days ago (12 children)

Pedantic rant, but I hate people saying they "believe" in science. Science is not a matter of belief. It's the realm of the empirical.

Leave belief to religion and knowledge to science. Mixing the two turns out bad every time.

[–] Zink@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

I have always seen the word “believe” to just mean you are convinced of something, or at least for some reason you think it is more likely than not. How much that belief relies on faith or evidence will vary based on the subject.

If I tell somebody I “believe in” science, it’s because I have spent decades observing the results of actually measuring and studying the world around us. It’s kind of a philosophical statement and not a factual one though, because the “belief” is that it’s the best way forward.

I also don’t think the word “believe” suggests certainty, because when it comes down to it I don’t think I am really 100% confident in anything. Not that it makes a practical difference in real life.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

I quite like that expression. It seems accurate to me, since, as it was pointed out by another commenter replying to you, people do not, in fact, check the experiments themselves, ensure that proper methodology was used, etc. They simply believe what the people in authority positions are telling them, so the word believe is quite accurate - you do not actually know the reasons why certain beliefs, theories are accepted by the scientific community, you just take their word for it.

Furthermore, any scientist does the same thing to the body research that was developed before him, otherwise, every scientist would have to start over.

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

First, no, not all science is empirical. You can't empirically test historical hypotheses, and some psychological ot sociological theses would be very much immoral to test.

Second, whether we accept some results (or any other information) as "knowledge" is an epistemological issue: What do we classify as knowledge? When can we be sure that it's not just an assumption sustained by bias? What burden of proof applies where? Can some assumption be useful even if it doesn't rise to the level of knowledge (yet)?

Third, the post says "I believe science", meaning: I trust their results. That is a subjective thing and beyond any empirical or epistemological scope. No matter how sure you may be that a given thesis is knowledge rather than just speculation, whether someone else shares that conviction is a separate question not fully dependent on yours.

You can call that ignorance, but that doesn't make a difference either way: If I don't believe you in the first place, calling me ignorant doesn't have any more weight either.

Hence: "I believe that science confers knowledge" is a valid assertion and fundamental premise for working with scientific results in the first place. Whether or not you'd phrase it that way, "Science is not a matter of belief" is a matter of belief too.

That said, I believe in the importance of tempering assumptions with evidence, empirical or otherwise, in order to constantly test and refine our understanding of the patterns and principles that govern the physical world and our social behaviour within it. I believe that we may not have all the answers, that some things may be fundamentally unanswerable, and that raising assumptions to the level of fundamental truths (like beliefs about the afterlife) is intellectually dishonest. I believe that it is better to say "We don't know" when that is true, and that we should acknowledge this limit to our knowledge (which doesn't mean we shouldn't strive to push it).

In short: I believe in science.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You made my exact point at the end.

"We don't know" is not a statement of faith or belief.

I don't know how how my phone works. That doesn't mean I believe in Android or Samsung. Humanity doesn't understand why the expansion of the universe is accelerating, but that doesn't make the reason for the acceleration a matter of faith. It's simply a gap in knowledge.

Knowledge is the realm of fact. Belief is the realm of the unknowable, not the unknown.

[–] BearGun@ttrpg.network 1 points 4 hours ago

Idk man, have you done the math on whether the universe expands yourself? Because i haven't. I simply believe that the scientists who have aren't lying to me, same as I believe that Jupiter is in fact a giant sphere of gas, because that's what I've been told.

No one can verify all of science, so we must all trust that those who came before us got things right (unless we discover that they didn't ofc).

Therefore, i believe in science.

[–] luciferofastora@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

That doesn't mean I believe in Android or Samsung

You do, in the sense that you believe they know what they're doing.

Humanity doesn't understand why the expansion of the universe is accelerating, but that doesn't make the reason for the acceleration a matter of faith. It's simply a gap in knowledge.

But you do believe that it expands and that there is a rational, scientific explanation for that. You believe in a reasonable, explainable universe.

So do I, don't get me wrong, but I'm trying to point out that there is a premise underpinning our theory of knowledge that is ultimately unknowable: That we can know at all, and that the methods of rationality lead us to that knowledge.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Knowledge is often defined as "justified true belief."

Flat Earthers have the science. The science is justified and true. But they refuse to believe it.

Philosophy has considered those two pretty intertwined for a rather long time.

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[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

I think people are more talking about believing in scientific institutions to ensure credibility and good faith research. Not necessarily that an individual institution is credible, but more the scientific community as a whole can be relied on.

Science is absolute, however the way we interpret and understand it isn't flawless and at the end of the day some level of belief has to be put into the fallible people behind it.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

After waking up? I’ve never heard this. My brain turns right back off if I don’t put a screen in front of my face. Have I been doing this wrong all this time???

[–] SoftTeeth@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I wake up to electronic birds coming out of my magic rectangle, i gaze upon it as the tiny sun fills my shell with life for yet another day.

[–] 000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 days ago

First thing I see having opened lemmy in bed. Good call. See you later folks!

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 8 points 2 days ago

Working 3rd shift has cultivated my circadian arrhythmia so I can sleep whenever I want unless I need to.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Me, who uses my phone before and after bed, with no issues getting or staying asleep: lol

[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Me, who can't sleep regardless of whether I use my phone before/after bed: :(

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[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Wait, morning phone bad too?

[–] pixelscript@lemm.ee 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's bad for me, but not for that reason.

It's bad for me because I piss a whole hour or two of my morning away doomscrolling. That makes me late to work. So I end up staying later to make up lost time, I get home late, and then I wonder why I have no time at the end of the day to do anything...

I'm doing it right now, in fact. I will stop.

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Aside from this meme (which I hadn't heard before), I had heard and just confirmed with a quick Google search that studies say it causes our brains to kind of wake up too quickly rather than the natural sleep-wake progression, which can lead to anxiety. Which I guess can also cause sleep disruption later.

[–] i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I sleep so much better after I started doing this. Seriously, try it out for like a week/month and you'll never go back, I swear

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