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[–] FlyingSpaceCow@lemmy.world -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago) (1 children)

I asked AI the following question. I thought the response was worth sharing:

"What evidence is there for the merits of horseshoe theory?"

Let me analyze this carefully. The horseshoe theory suggests that the far-left and far-right of the political spectrum are more similar to each other than to the political center.

The main arguments made in favor of horseshoe theory include:

  1. Both far-left and far-right movements have historically shown tendencies toward authoritarianism, with examples like Stalin's USSR and Hitler's Germany using similar tactics of state control, propaganda, and suppression of dissent.

  2. Some similar rhetorical and organizational patterns appear in both far-left and far-right movements, such as: populist appeals, scapegoating of particular groups, calls for radical system change, and rejection of liberal democratic norms.

  3. There are historical cases of individuals and groups moving between far-left and far-right positions, suggesting some underlying commonalities.

However, there are significant critiques of horseshoe theory:

  1. It oversimplifies complex political ideologies and movements, forcing them into a rigid geometric metaphor that may not reflect reality.

  2. Surface-level similarities in tactics or rhetoric don't necessarily indicate deeper ideological similarities. The fundamental goals and values often remain drastically different.

  3. The theory can be used to dismiss radical critiques of existing systems by equating all forms of political extremism, regardless of their specific content.

  4. Political scientists generally view it as an oversimplified model that doesn't adequately capture the multidimensional nature of political ideology.

Rather than a strict horseshoe pattern, many political scientists prefer more nuanced models that consider multiple axes of political belief and recognize that authoritarian tendencies can emerge across the political spectrum without necessarily indicating ideological similarity.

What are your thoughts on how political ideologies should be mapped or compared?

[–] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

What are your thoughts on how political ideologies should be mapped or compared?

I feel like one scale (left/right) to represent all of politics is such a generalization that most models based on it are pointless

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

Obligatory "axis spectrum better"

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Ah yess," we need to create classless society by eating all the rich, killing all the landlords and destroying capitalism around the world" is totally different from the far right which is also "do violence against people we don't like in order to get the society we want". Youre not a faschist if you think the people who you want to kill are responsible for all your issues I guess. Wait, wasn't that literally what hitler said?

Calling to violence is sure to get all the reforms you want. You could also, idunno, take a page from the rightwingers playbook and viralize memes about every single thing the administration does wrong so the public does not forget and is turned against them.

[–] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 1 points 44 seconds ago* (last edited 4 seconds ago)

What a ridiculous position. You honestly believe that all socialists and/or communists want to kill the rich and the landlords?

Or is that just a convenient strawman you've created?

Communism commits evil when it goes wrong; fascism commits evil when all goes to plan. No one, not even Stalin, ever became a communist in order to do evil, whereas that's the whole point in becoming a fascist. - Julie Burchill

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

By that logic, anti-monarchism is also fascist. After all, they tried to create a "better society" by eating all the kings, killing the landed gentry, and destroying feudalism. Must be fascist, right?

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 17 minutes ago

A lot of countries went from monarchies to democracies peacefully and are better for it. If you want to kill people you dont agree with you are faschist. The government is literally baby feeding you workable memes you can use to ring over the population to the side of societal reforms. If you lot were more public about wanting to kill people, why wouldnt the general population vote for trump the third time in order to keep you violent maniacs in check?

How about you spread information about everything the current administration does wrong to sway the public opinion. There is ton of material already and its been day 1. You jerking off to mass murder is working against your goals of a better society.

[–] Rooty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, this old canard in which radical leftism didn't do anything wrong, no revolutions lead to dictatorships and centrally planned economies were sabotaged by the capitalist illuminati. God forbid we critique leftist ideologies, anyone who does that is worse than a nazi.

[–] AppleTea@lemmy.zip 2 points 59 minutes ago

Naturally a planned economy under-performs an evolutionary economy.

The first time. What about the planned economy that learns from the previous one's mistakes? Or the one after that?

[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

It's funny because Lemmygrad/Hexbear are indistinguishable from Gab.ai, and it's a bunch of liberals on the center who think "free healthcare" is somehow not centrist

Edit; honestly, all you need to do is look at the comments in this thread saying oppression isn't always bad. Lemmy.world never fails to amuse

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 hour ago

First day provided tons of evidence from the lord god being disrespected and completely shat on by trump to literal nazi salutes. That have endless meme potential and can be spread around for completely free and low effort in order to swing public opinion. I am sure returning to some obscure tibetian basket weaving forum with userbase of five and talking about genociding everyone not like you while the right media machine is working overtime is going to get the public to change their mind.

oppression leads to depression

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I've had people on this platform tell me they were excited for, "the fall of empire." Knowing full well there would be a human cost. So yes, oppression is bad, but if your answer is violence then it's time to parse which violence is acceptable to you because obviously you've already distinguished.

[–] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

All political positions weigh the violence of their positions. Liberals who fight to maintain the status quo are fighting to keep people from enclosed resources like food and housing, with the justification of the profit motive. Whether or not they're right, they're accepting blood for their policy

We've established what blood the liberals actively tolerate. I don't think that's a question at this point.

[–] socsa@piefed.social 7 points 8 hours ago (5 children)

Oppression is bad...

...Unless that oppression is done by the vanguard to protect the revolution. Then the oppression is ok.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Where can I get that upside-down blue flag shirt? That's going to go hard while the police are beating me for having a sign on a sidewalk.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's been a conservative symbol for years, try places that sell Trump merch.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

Yeah but I don't want to give the orange man money. :(

[–] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 6 points 8 hours ago

Horseshoe theory is truly one of my worst enemies, a thought terminating cliche that is zesty enough to feel like a revelation so every midwit loves to trot it out to feel superior. "Opposite things have similarities, therefore, opposite things tend toward the same"

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