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Trump plans to lift the Biden administration’s freeze on supplying 2,000-pound bombs to Israel and reverse sanctions against Israeli settlers.

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[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 30 points 11 hours ago (28 children)

hey pro-Palestinian lemmings! where y'all at?

this is why you wouldn't vote for Harris, right? when does he stop the killing again?

#when does it stop??

[–] FantasticDonkey@reddthat.com 0 points 2 hours ago

Palestinian here, not in the US. So Harris would have done genocide but without more 2000 pound bombs. Trump does it with them.

Your voters couldn’t decide against genocide, they could only decide with which weapons it will be continued. You guys have a problem.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

I'm here but I'm not United Statesian so I can't vote in your elections (even though US foreign influence is so aggressive it feels like I should have a say).

Oh no, I've upset some MAGA weirdos. Gonna lose sleep over that.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

Non American here. Both your parties are genocide and apartheid supporters. Simple as that.

Yea, one of the two is more than the other. But you got to come to terms with the fact that your country's bipartisan effect in the region is kinda evil.

Lol, down vote all you like. I'm just telling the truth.

[–] Fizz 1 points 12 minutes ago (1 children)

You do realize the United States didn't start that war. They've done a lot to stabilize the region and they have tried to solve the issue both before and after the war.

You try and negotiate a deal between Israel and Palestine it's not an easy task.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 1 points 41 seconds ago

I never said they started the war. I said they support genocide and apartheid (and I should have added occupation). Which they do. You can argue all you like whether their reasons for doing it are good or bad, but the simple fact of the matter is that in a bipartisan way they support Apartheid Israel and its policies for genocide and occupation. That's just factual.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 hour ago

Everyone here agrees with you, dawg... We just understand our country's political system enough to know which was the correct choice to mitigate that evil.

People made the wrong choice.

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[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 13 points 11 hours ago

As it turns out, there are about 2,000 pounds of difference between Republicans and Democrats.

[–] doctortofu@reddthat.com 57 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Wow, that's surely going to both get the price of eggs down AND stop the genocide of Palestinians! How does he do it?

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 24 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I mean there are two ways to stop the genocide. You can stop killing people or you can, how did he put it? "Finish the problem"

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 hours ago

It's called a "Final solution" and, yeah, multiple people in the Israeli Government talk about wanting a "Final solution for the Palestinian Problem".

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago

It's probably the rapes that make him feel so young... Or maybe the felonies. I don't know... There's a lot to unpack here.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 90 points 18 hours ago (19 children)

Not to beat the dead horse but... Those who said "I won't vote Democratic because Gaza" were either lying or delusional.

In 2028 there won't be any Gaza, what will be the next line?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

That's just self-indugent tribalist scapegoating using an argument which is circular and self-disproving.

  • If there were too few people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to affect the vote, which is would justify the decision of the Democrat leadership to not do anything meaningful to agree with the demands of those voters (Biden pausing his own decision of sending 2000lb bombs is very much a "I'm saving you from myself" moment), then you can't really blame those few people for the Democrat loss since there were not enought of them to make a difference and something else made the Democracts lose, so the fault is in the strategy followed by the Democrat leadership on other subjects.
  • If on the other hand there were so many people who cared about the Israeli Genocide enough for it to result in the Democrats losing the vote, why did the Democrat candidates not go after that vote? Again, the blame is down to the choices of the Democrat leadership: it's always easier to change what a handfull of people do than to change what millions do, so for the handful of people in the Democrat Party leadership to change their position with regards to supporting Israeli in its Genocide would be far more logical to expect in that scenario than for such a large slice of the electorate - millions of voters - to change their position instead. Even if one thinks "our leader's position is more important than that of millions of people so it's the millions who have to change their positions, not our leader" (a bootlicker's mindset, BTW), it's still incredibly stupid to go with "we're going to convince millions to change their position rather than just that one guy" as a strategy so the blame still rests with those who chose to go with it.

All I see here and now is people making a pseudo-"argument" that is entirelly reliant on the axiom that "the boss is always right" to manage to somehow blame millions for something which the "the boss" could have (per the part of that very same pseudo-"argument" which claims it was the people who were against the Israeli Genocide that sawyed the vote) easilly avoided by just meaningufully changing his position on just that one subject. That presumption that the leaders are blameless and it's the peons who are to blame for not being willing to follow the leaders no mater what they were doing, is a 100% subservient mindset.

If you're going to assign blame for Trump, look at the handful of people in the Democrat Party who chose to do things in such a way that the results was that millions of their own electorate chose not to vote for them, thus delivering the election to Trump.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 33 minutes ago

Sorry, didn't pass the second line because you failed to understand what I say.

I'm not saying Biden is good for Gaza. I'm saying if your concern is Gaza, Trump is not better. So for a meaningless virtue signaling, everything else is worse.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 hour ago

And the gold medal for mental gymnastics goes to...

[–] Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 hours ago

One way to end a genocide is to 100% the ethnic cleansing.

[–] splinter@lemm.ee 45 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

This is the tragic truth.

The most frustrating part about it is that withholding votes was framed as a principled position. And I’m sorry, but that’s asinine. How many of those people who declared that they wouldn’t vote for the democratic ticket because of their action/inaction on Gaza actually did anything more than posting rants on social media? How many raised funds for aid? How many organized rallies, protests, or educational outreach? How many even so much as contacted their representatives?

It is either naivety or complacency to believe that national policy should change just because you and your friends sent around some memes. And it is callous indifference to base your vote on a single issue and then claim that you’re inhabiting the moral high ground.

If you yell into the void, you shouldn’t expect a response. And if you believe in an issue, either take action or acknowledge that it would be staggeringly arrogant to expect other people to put in work that you yourself won’t do.

[–] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

The American non-Republican voters were played like a fiddle. Long live Tik Tok who fed the indignation and enabled Trump's victory!

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[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Whoa whoa "Genocide Joe" where did you come from where did you go, where did you come from "Genocide Joe."

Crickets

[–] FolknForage@lemm.ee 26 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I am just here waiting for the “Free Palestine” folks to show us the way with some real radical activism.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 198 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (86 children)

Well, would you look at that, third-party protest voters / abstainers / "undecideds": you saved Palestine. /s

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