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Context for the title, in case you're wondering: https://archive.is/UL7jK

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[–] kava@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

If Jesus showed up he would be considered a radical woke liberal.

"Love your neighbor" somehow became report your neighbor to ICE

To be fair to Trump, ideology is always co-opted and interpreted however convenient. The Nazis were "socialist" after all. NK is a people's republic. etc

[–] Juice@midwest.social 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And then they discovered the true meaning of Christianity, not a story about the son of the Creator preaching and living faith, charity and humility, but a scheme to blame the murder of that prophet which was committed by the Romans who founded the church, on the ethnic group the prophet came from, the Jewish group which was historically enslaved and persecuted by the Romans.

The biggest myth in the bible isn't whether Jesus existed, or Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, tricked by the serpent (although establishing the reason for humanity's inherent evil, the whole justification for religious belief itself, according to some, is a big one). The biggest myth is the one that makes you the main perpetrator of your own suffering, while the victimizers live in palaces and mansions where most suffering can never touch them.

We should have listened when Nietzsche said "God is dead, and we have killed him." If we had listened maybe we would have asked what had replaced him. And if someone says "nothing" then they still believe the biggest myths of the bible.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

love is illegal in the US

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Reminds me of that story a couple of days ago about the homeless guy that got ran over by a bulldozer when they cleared out his tent to tidy up the city for MLK day. Nothing says you admire MLK like killing some poors, right?

Literally homeless crushing machine

[–] DanVctr@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

And it happened in Atlanta, near Ebenezer Church of all places

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 129 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Country that has never once given a shit about fire codes suddenly discovers an excuse to arbitrarily emiserate dozens of people.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@lemmy.world 41 points 3 days ago (5 children)

This is a lot like how our government is all concerned about National Security™ when it comes to pretty much anything else, but a bipartisan bill, supported by both of the last 2 presidents, and upheld unanimously by our current dysfunctional Supreme Court, with National Security™ as the excuse, and we still have Tiktok.

Laws are only there so the ruling class can keep us in line and them in power, and they will never be enforced homogenously.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

People will say "I don't need God in my life to be a good person" out one side of their mouth, while out the other say, "People need laws and the state to be a good person." I'm an atheist just like them, I just go one god further.

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[–] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I'd love to talk shit about the current administration too, but I've been in buildings where fire inspectors would cut off the power cords of any space heaters they found because they violated code.

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 8 points 3 days ago

The people who hire the fire inspectors don't actually care, but the fire inspectors do. Probably because they've smelled far more charred human flesh than anyone should.

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[–] Stern@lemmy.world 26 points 3 days ago
[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Trump is the great Deceiver, like Lucifer he casts a light in darkness, and just like Lucifer all who follow that light expecting to find freedom will only find damnation.

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[–] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Kinda surprised Americans don’t worship Constantine.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If they cared about history before 1776 they would.

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago

The world was created only about 3000 years ago. There was no world before AMERICA

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This whole thing is really disingenuous. Here's the article. HOWEVER. Look who represented the pastor: First Liberty. They're a law group that only takes ideological cases, cases that would allow Christians to violate laws with impunity. This initial case was covered by The Friendly Atheist (Hemant Mehta) a few months back; it's not a simple case of a kind-hearted pastor trying to help homeless people, and accidentally violating some zoning codes along the way.

[–] Miaou@jlai.lu 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Your link doesn't paint a different picture than the OP.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago

IIRC the conditions were exceptionally bad, and the action appeared to be tailored to make a legal argument that a (Christian) church wasn't bound by things like health and safety codes, occupancy limits, or zoning.

It's strategically created to make the Christian church in question seem sympathetic, although he could have moved to a different location, and/or complied with health and safety codes.

Again - look for what Hemant Mehta has written about this. I can't find the podcast ATM, and I'm too sick (flu) to spend all day trying to find anything he would have written about it.

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[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

"The Sin of Empathy" would be a sweet rock band name except it's not really rock so it can be a punk band name.

[–] CgH10N4Co2@lemmy.cafe 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

There is no such thing as a "sin of empathy" and the dude who came up with that phrase is a fascist shitbag.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I dunno. Sithrak may be offended by empathy, kindness and compassion. He's a pain and misery kind of god.

[–] Ziro427@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

He is an insane god for insane times.

[–] DaedalousIlios@pawb.social 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I get the sentiment for this one, but the pastor in question is simply acting like they're above the law. Hemant Mehta (AKA "The Friendly Atheist") covered this story on his YouTube channel:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrlUNGFVN4I&pp=ygUgVGhlIGZyaWVuZGx5IGF0aGVpc3Qgb2hpbyBwYXN0b3I%3D

The short of it is that where this pastor's church is set up is not in the right zone for housing people, the building isn't designed for it, and he's actually puttinf them in danger. And on top of having already been in trouble for this once, I found out in the process of finding the first video that he's still doing it!

That said, I still up-voted the post, because while the pastor is actually in the wrong, so is the state. There's zero reason why these people should have to resort to sheltering in a building that isn't safe just to avoid succumbing to the elements.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Wow, the guy you linked comes off as a total tool. Pretty much all the city violations he's creepily giddy to list off with his Ajit Pai smile all turn into a moot point when the alternative is LITERALLY SLEEPING ON THE STREET. You think someone gives a single shit if there aren't enough visible exit signs? You think they care if the functioning smoke detectors don't have a record of regular inspections? He also lists off how "dangerous" the homeless are, with their drug use and past crimes. Yea, they're fucking homeless. What? You think they all have a squeaky clean record?

Look at the violations he listed and ask yourself how many of those probably apply to your own place of residence. When was the last time you had a fire inspector come and certify that your fire alarms were working? Does your house have fire sprinklers in every room? If you have a propane grill, is the tank stored up to restaurant code, or is it just stored outside on the ground? Do you have a record of when you last replaced the vent tube on your dryer? No? Oh ok. So maybe people aren't immediately in mortal danger when those codes aren't followed. And yes, there's a reason for the codes; but none of them should stand in the way of desperate people seeking shelter from the elements.

There's always more to the story. I'm not going to say the pastor is entirely blameless as it does sound like the city gave him multiple opportunities to fix violations. But when the fight is between a local government (which are notorious for anti-homeless regulations) throwing out a list of what seem like very nitpicky issues, and a guy literally just trying to give the most downtrodden people a temporary place to sleep and wash their clothes, I'm leaning toward the guy housing people being the one in the right.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 9 points 2 days ago (2 children)

How can a building be safe at one point of the day, but suddenly unsafe during another? That sounds like an idiotic code designed to punish exactly this.

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[–] schema@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

I mean, we all know the Bible verse: "And so, the people of Bethlehem sent Joseph and the highly pregnant Mary away. They were in the right, since taking them in might have slightly inconvenienced them, and was against zoning regulations, posing a potential fire hazard"

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago (8 children)

"the sin of empathy" has been a Christian doctrine in conservative circles for a few years (at least since 2019).

Churches with universalist doctrines were supporting social change. The Christian reactionaries did their thing by organizing themselves in opposition to this change. Some particularly conservative Baptist called Rigney decided to avoid emacipatory arguments all together and attack what he saw as the pillar concept instead: empathy. 2019 https://ghostarchive.org/archive/UXWex

Also in classic reactionary style, he was cribbing off left thought. Empathy has been a target for criticism from the left going back to at least 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Against_Empathy

I don't have theological opinions. But I feel like the culture I grew up in valued empathy maybe a little too much. I used to believe that people who did the horrible things lacked empathy. But that can't be a universal truth. I see people celebrating the cruelty in policies like mass deportation. You can't enjoy somebodies pain if you can't recognize it. I've also come to learn that being cruel to others can be pro-social.

[–] Natanael@infosec.pub 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's tribalism plus brainwashing. They believe the right way to show empathy to the in-group is to attack anyone in the out-group. Driven by zero-sum thinking and beliefs around "natural social hierarchy" being necessary.

[–] enthusiasm_headquarters@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I haven't read Bloom's book, but I draw from other sources. I avoid corporate social media and its "conversations" and have been doing so quite happily for nearly 10 years.

I catch little pieces of it, like this, and it reminds me of why I stay away. I dislike the cluttered analysis and damnation or vindication of human actions and feelings sprouting all over the place; Shame, empathy, envy, anger, whatever the flavor of the month is...

Buddhist philosophy teaches us that we are aggregates of various delusions (and science has come to a similar conclusion). Spontaneous compassion, which can come from anywhere, it can't be "Rationalized," is one of the greatest tools we have for breaking patterns, of exercising a wild detachment from these aggregates, that destroy our society and ourselves.

All the tools, even the maligned ones like shame and guilt, may lead a person to these sorts of spontaneous acts of compassion, not only toward others, but toward themselves (there is ultimately no difference).

However...Of all the malign-able features of the human condition, empathy must be the strangest to hone in on.

The definition provided by Bloom is not satisfactory: The cold and detached act that arises from "imagining yourself in their place" is what some in the therapy field would call sympathy.

The being in the moment and doing what is needed in that moment is empathy, Empathy should be considered derived from compassion, it is the present choice, sympathy, the rationalized, detached choice, is the lesser guide, but of course it can lead somewhere, too.

If the empathy is missing from the effort to help than I doubt, however rationalized it may be, however well meaning the bureaucracy, NGO, or organized effort, that it will be helpful.

This is the first post on social media I have made in about 8 years that wasn't somehow related to tech support. Be merciful.

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[–] infectoid@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Remember that time a fake socialist was in power and locked up the real socialists‽

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Don’t do the whole “not real Christians “ bullshit. They are Christians, these are the dregs of Christianity, it’s ugly side. Own it and fix it instead of saying “he’s not a REAL Christian” as if they’re the only problem and not the belief system itself.

[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

What's the problem with the belief system? Sounds like in your eyes, the best Christianity is no Christianity.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Probably the cherry-picking of which beliefs to follow based on convenience, rather than just wanting to be a better person for the sake of it.

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