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Ok. So its something im sorta frustrated with in movie and film plots. Its where the characters seem to intentionally not tell other characters things for apparently no reason. So its like a fair amount of the plot would not exist if the characters would just mention relevant things. This is usually in fantasy types like in particular I am seeing it with the magicians and school spirits. I mean maybe behavior like this is common outside my experience but its weird to me.

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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 44 points 2 years ago

no, this is a huge trope throughout the entertainment industry... in my opinion it has little to do with the genre.

another fun game to play is 'would this movie happen if they could pickup a cellphone and talked to x character'. many pre-cell movie scripts rely entirely on moving information from one person to another in the longest way possible

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

My guess is that a part of the popularity of the trope comes from shows used to needing to return to the status quo at the end of the episode, plus needing ways to create conflict/drama without actually making their characters bad or evil. "It was all just a big misunderstanding!" type plots do those well, even if they end up making watching frustrating because it turns into 23 minutes of watching people fail to do the one simple thing that would resolve everything.

[-] CyanideShotInjection@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago
[-] sxan@midwest.social 5 points 2 years ago

My #1 reason for rage quitting a movie, series, or book. In any genre, even comedies.

[-] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Just got done marathoning Cobra Kai. The entire premise of about 90%+ of the conflicts on that show are based off this very trope. It was even more obvious when watching back to back seasons and they seem to show tons of character growth when someone actually talks, only for those same characters to go right back to the toxic silence immediately in the next episode.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 years ago

Ugh, I'm glad I never picked it up then. It has come recommended by so many people but I've been reluctant to invest in it.

Makes me wonder what people see in that kind of plot line. I just find it unsatisfying and frustrating.

[-] vulgarcynic@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I don't feel like I wasted the time watching it thankfully. Despite the criticism's leveled against the excessive use of the trope, I did enjoy the show and am looking forward to the final season in a few days.

Huge caveats though, mainly;

I had it on as a background show while playing low impact video games, making dinner and decompressing after work.

And, this is a big one,

I was the exact right age when Karate Kid released. It was a top 3, core memory movie of my childhood and the show mines that nostalgia pit in a way that kept my anxiety riddled brain on a constant dopamine drip.

If you share a childhood love of the original movies, seeing Billy Zabka play Johnny again and develop him into one of the most endearing, fully realized characters in modern media is phenomenal.

If neither of those apply though, steer clear. You'll likely not be able to get past the repetitive, tropey speed bumps.

[-] xyzzy@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Have you seen Pitch Meeting on YouTube? Just pick a recent one and watch it. Lots of examples of bad writing like this trope you mention.

That said, it can be difficult to write a story if everyone knows everything all the time. That's why many books are set in fantasy worlds, pre-cell phone eras, or space settings without instantaneous communication. In modern situations, cell phones often mysteriously lose signal or run out of power, or people fail to pick up.

It's a bit like how in kung fu movies the bad guys can't use their guns ("Stop! This entire room is filled with explosives!"), or they get knocked away, or they miss a shot or two and then run out of bullets, or the movie is set in pre-gun eras. It sort of makes it hard to sustain the central conceit if a bad guy can just pull out a handgun and shoot Bruce Lee or Jackie Chan.

[-] dditty@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Ooh watching the Pitch Meeting video instead of the shitty movie it's about is tight!

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago

It’s an easy trope to add conflict into the plot. Probably will get even worse as AI starts taking the jobs of actual talented writers since AI can’t create anything novel and has to generate tropes

[-] Viri4thus@feddit.org 7 points 2 years ago

Writer's strike, studios replace them, we get slop writing.

We're in the third act of this drama.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

Not just movies, television shows too. I really, really enjoy the horror/mystery show "From", but a lot of the nonsense would be eliminated if the characters actually talked to each other.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_(TV_series)

[-] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

You're just noticing a very common writing technique. If characters communicated more clearly there would be far fewer of the misunderstandings and clueless overreactions that fuel plot lines.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 years ago

It's been a pet peeve of mine for decades. It just comes across, to me, as lazy weak shit.

[-] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago

It's a common trope as others have said. It's more noticeable now because writing isn't respected in modern media anymore. Scripts are lucky to get a second draft before shooting starts. Writers don't get the time to workshop ideas to reduce the number of problems like no one talking or everyone being stupid. Another common one is time and space problems with off screen characters. They aren't always difficult problems to solve, but they can require time to identify and work through them that writers don't get anymore.

[-] livingcoder@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

When I see it in a movie I'm watching, I'll just talk to the TV "So, you're not going to get on the radio and call for help? You just saw a guy get pulled away into the darkness. No? Wait, you're going to slowly walk into the darkness? You are the main character after all, so I guess you just want me to see what's in there. Thanks, I guess."

I love riffing on bad movies. When the character is finally around other people I'll say "Oooh, guys... she has a secret! It's pretty important. Probably something that will kill everyone in the station. I would tell you guys, but I think she wouldn't want me to share it."

[-] jacksilver@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

As others have said, it's a common trope, however "The Magicians" is just all over the place as far as shows go.

[-] happydoors@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

My wife and I have been watching Lost (rewatch for me) and it’s great stuff but literally most episodes would be fixed through a conversation. At least the show acknowledges this from time-to-time and the characters use knowledge as leverage a lot shrug. If it wasn’t dramatic, a lot less people would watch

[-] lordnikon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

The best one I have noticed is are these characters in a franchise or fans of the franchise based on how they act.

[-] Condiment2085@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

Thank you so much for posting this because I had the same thought a few years ago but lost it 😂

Really good shows don't have this problem as much. There were times in Severance (my recent show obsession) where I thought some communication between characters would have made more sense - but upon reflection it seemed fair what they were keeping from each other.

But yeah some shows are like "if these two people had a 3 message text conversation the entire plot wouldn't exist" 😂

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