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There might be some changes that could improve it further:

  • ~~Remove Brave~~
  • ~~Maybe add Signal; It's easier than Element, but it's also centralized~~
  • Stop suggesting Linux Mint specifically
  • Recommend Hosted Nextcloud
  • ~~Add GrapheneOS~~
  • Maybe add Delta chat
  • ~~Maybe remove Bluesky~~
  • ~~Remove Stremio and add Jellfyin (even though it's selfhosted and not a direct equivalent)~~
  • ~~Add ente because Immich is selfhosted~~
  • ~~Add aurora~~
  • ~~Add SearxNG~~
  • Add SimpleX
  • Add lichess
  • Add pCloud

Any other suggestions?

Temporary improved version:

From To Compromise
X, Threads Mastodon Bluesky
Instagram Pixelfed
YouTube PeerTube ReVanced (just blocks adds)
Reddit Lemmy
Netlix, Disney+ ๐Ÿ”จ Jellyfin
Google Meet, Zoom Jitsi Meet
Google Docs Etherpad
Google Search ๐Ÿ”จ SearxNG Kagi, Ecosia
Google Drive Nextcloud pCloud, filen, Proton Drive
Google Photos, iCloud Immich Ente
Google Chrome Librewolf, Firefox Ungoogled-chromium
All messaging apps Element (matrix) Signal
Google Home, Amazon Alexa Home Assistant
Play Store F-droid, Aurora
Google Android, iOS LineageOS, GrapheneOS
Windows, MacOS Linux Mint

๐Ÿ”จ = Self-Hosted only (requires running a server)

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[โ€“] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Bluesky absolutely belongs in the left column.

It's not Transparent, Decentralized or Open Source.

It is a centralized social media network exactly like Twitter. The only 'open' part is a protocol that lets you interact with their, private, service.

The fact that it is 'open source' is largely a red herring, if Bluesky decides to no longer support their protocol then it is worthless. It cannot simply be forked and remain useful.

Bluesky is simply engaging in a PR campaign to steal customers from Twitter. It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter. It can be purchased by Musk or manipulated by the existing owner in the same way as Twitter.

Making a Bluesky account is simply trusting a new corporation to not act like a corporation in the future... which is a pretty naive position.

Ecosia is not open source, or decentralized. It is a private search engine based in Germany that provides search results from the major search engines and sells advertisements via Yahoo and Microsoft ad networks. These ad networks are part of Surveillance Capitalism and earn their money primarily by spying on you, collating your data and selling it/using it to place ads.

Stremio is largely a piece of software used to funnel people into paying for monthly for pirate streaming services. It's not getting rid of Netflix or Disney+, it's giving you the option of paying Russian or North Korean supported cybergangs instead of Netflix for access to streaming content.

The real open source alternative is Jellyfin. Then using qBittorrent along with Sonarr and Radarr to self-host your own media server.

The other suggestions are mostly okay with minor gripes.

  • They could add GrapheneOS as an Android alternative.
  • Linux Mint is not a bad option but 'What Linux Distro should we recommend to new people' is a contentious topic in the community, Mint is fine but there are other options (EndeavourOS is Arch Linux installed with the Calamares graphical installer and some sane options for a desktop PC, btw)
  • While Signal isn't 'open source'. It is, for the moment, a secure option that doesn't require a lot of user knowledge to setup. It is a vastly superior choice than using social media for messaging without requiring a lot of technical knowledge on the user's part.
[โ€“] Serinus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is exactly the same as Twitter in all of the ways that matter.

I think the fucking Nazi at the head matters.

[โ€“] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There are Nazis at the head of Lemmy instances. Because it isn't centralized it's very easy to deal with.

When there is a centrally controlled social media and a Nazi takes over, it is a huge problem and requires a large amount of social effort to solve.

Bluesky could be purchased by Elon (or the current owner may decide they prefer the alt right by this time next year) and then we'd be in the same situation.

The weakness in Twitter and Bluesky is central control. Elon just provided a very poignant example as to why.

Don't use Bluesky and also delete Twitter. Don't support the idea of a single person or entity controlling the social lives of everyone else.

[โ€“] Uebercomplicated@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

+1. Was really surprised to see ecosia (searx!?) and stremio as the only options of their categories; kinda sketchy...

Graphene should also for sure be included, even if it's Pixel only. I don't care that much about Bluesky as I've dealt first-hand with trying to get my gen-x mother on mastodon, and failing spectacularly. It's not better in the long run, but in the short term it's good to leave Twitter, simply to lose Elon some money. Either way, the list is kinda weird.

Edit: also, only mention droidify and not plain f-droid, obtainium, and Aurora? What?

Edit: corrected last edit

[โ€“] CameronDev@programming.dev 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of these are still American, and Bluesky isnt any-less of a walled garden, they just haven't reached enshitification-critical-mass yet.

[โ€“] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, the list does not fit this community

Headquarters Seattle, Washington, United States

[โ€“] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

OP, quite a few of these are still American, some open source, some not. It's more like a generic list of alternatives to mainstream.

[โ€“] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When it's FOSS it doesn't matter so much where they're based, fortunately

[โ€“] kilgore_trout@feddit.it 3 points 1 year ago

BlueSky and Brave for sure aren't FOSS.

[โ€“] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Saying โ€œthis FOSS is Americanโ€ is a little like saying โ€œany wheat in a meal makes it Egyptian because thatโ€™s where wheat comes from.โ€ FOSS doesnโ€™t have borders, because it can be used, forked, and modified by anyone. Even if an American created it, as soon as it becomes FOSS, it is a worldwide project.

[โ€“] Mexigore@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Lichess instead of chess(dot)com.

Thanks to another post in this community I found out about and it is great.

  • Open source
  • No ads
  • unlimited puzzels from real games
  • No constant message to buy premium
  • All the finances are public

You can donate to the project, if you have the means and enjoy the app please do.

[โ€“] LepaVida@feddit.uk 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want to see Koofr up there among the clouds.

[โ€“] azalty@jlai.lu 2 points 1 year ago

Element is owned by a company and likes to collect a shit load of data... i'll never understand people that vouch for matrix

[โ€“] youngalfred@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Revanced is just a cracked YouTube app isn't it?

[โ€“] Cheradenine@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes it is, if you want something different there is Newpipe, Tubular (with sponsor block and returndislike) , or Freetube. Probably others as well.

None of these let you login, if that is something you need.

[โ€“] Mr_fuzzy@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Don't forget grayjay

[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is the alternatives that I use:

X - Mastodon | YouTube - PC Youtube with uBlock Origin, android ReVanced | Netlix, Disney+ - Stremio (With VPN!) | Google Search - Qwant ~~Startpage~~ | Google Drive - Proton Drive | Google Chrome - Mullvad, Librewolf and Brave (with crypto stuf disabled) | Messaging apps - Session (<3) | Google Android - LineageOS | Windows, MacOS - Linux Mint or Fedora with KDE | Microsoft Office - LibreOffice | VPN - Mullvad (or proton vpn) | Google Maps - Wego.here.com or en.mapy.cz | Google Maps Navigation (Waze) - Sygic or TomTom AmiGO | Google Translate - DeepL | Google Gmail - Tutanota or Proton Mail | Google Authenticator - Ente Auth or Aegis | Password Manager - Bitwarden or KeePass | ChatGPT - Mistral Le Chat |

[โ€“] qaz@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Google Search - Syartpage

Do you mean startpage?

[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yes typing mistake, I fixt it.

[โ€“] m2Lm@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I'm using if for 6 months and I don't miss google search. And the option to open search results in "Visit in Anonymous View" is something that I love.

[โ€“] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

I like how it starts with getting off Twitter and trying out Lemmy and ends with switching to Linux.

[โ€“] Nalivai@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Fucking brave shows it's ugly head again. The only thing worse than a browser owned by a greedy corpo is a browser that is owned by two greedy corpos, one of which is mostly a crypto scam corpo.

[โ€“] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

instead of matrix id say SimpleX-chat it uses tor a lot more

[โ€“] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Suggesting linux mint specifically is good. Linux is overwhelming to new users, don't give them choice paralysis too.

[โ€“] JazzlikeDiamond558@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There are several reasons why Linux Mint is to be recommended:

  1. That specific distro is almost superlightweight on the resources so even superold computers and laptops can run it smoothly
  2. it is ''Windows- like'' so transitional users can easily transfer
  3. Linux is compatible and supports even the oldest hardware (or has a ''driver code support'' for it). Remember that good Canon scanner without drivers for windows? Now you can use it.
  4. Linux has ''try without installing'' option

I personally transitioned more than ten years ago; started with Ubuntu and that was fine, but then I discovered that Mint ''flies''. :-)

Deffinitely to be recommended to a wide public who wants to transition.

[โ€“] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Brave ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ๐Ÿคฎ

[โ€“] Ruthalas@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where is my beloved son f-droid?

[โ€“] qaz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Droid-ify is an alternative frontend for f-droid

And IMO it's better

[โ€“] jamie_oliver@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So as someone who recently went from MacOS to Linux (at least partially) Mint is terrible for macOS users. It is like going back to windows. I get it is the easiest for Windows users but maybe add a row for Macos to Fedora or something (but maybe it is too complicated, I just know most mac users would scoff at Mint's interface).

[โ€“] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Actually a solid point, we should suggest a flavor of Linux that prefers Gnome for Mac users. It's the closest default to their workflow afaik

[โ€“] earphone843@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

I strongly support Homeassistant. The sheer amount of features they've added and the community built around it make it a no brainer for home automation.

[โ€“] Yuriq@feddit.rocks 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Yeet Brave & element. add jabber and irc. Swap mint 4 fedora atomic.

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Maybe add Signal; Itโ€™s easier than Element, but itโ€™s also centralized

signal runs on amazon servers. Anything that can't self host and isn't federate isn't worth it. Matrix (and element) fill this requirement. But IMHO, the best is XMPP where you can self-host or use federated servers located in other countries.

Maybe add Delta chat

Delta chat is basically email.

Remove Stremio

Why? Because it's torrents?

Other alternatives would be viaplay or britbox. Unfortunately there's no legal alternative that's available in all europe.

Add aurora

Aurora is just a front-end for google playstore. You should add f-droid

[โ€“] pathief@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If everything is e2e encrypted do servers actually matter?

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yes. Metadata. some protocols leak more info than the others.

Also servers in only one place (institution), only makes it easier for the government to go to that place and seize them.

[โ€“] pathief@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

And what metadata is Signal leaking? As far as I know even their notifications are not sending the message.

The government seizing an entire batch of amazon servers seems unrealistic, but the data would be encrypted anyway. Do they even store messages on servers, anyway?

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[โ€“] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Delta chat is basically email.

and how is that exactly a problem? the protocol is email, but email done right is actually good and fast, as it can be tested if you actually try out the app. The new chatmail servers are optimized for chatting, the main reason classic email providers suck is because they have to deal with spam and arbitrary decisions like gray-listing etc

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Email isn't a good protocol for instant messaging (it wasn't designed for real time communication and it lacks some features like typing indicators or voice/video calls)

[โ€“] adbenitez@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

it is pointless to talk in theory without actually trying things out, besides the app doesn't have to do only email, in fact it already has p2p support for real-time that can be used for now inside the https://webxdc.org/ mini-apps, and might be used for calls in the future, or just use WebRTC for calls, one of the mini-apps in the store "Live Chat" already has typing indicators btw. The app already has Jitsi Meet invitations integration.

Chatting in Delta Chat with chatmail feels just as fast as WhatsApp, Telegram etc. sometimes even faster depending on the chatmail server you use

[โ€“] VisionScout@lemmy.wtf -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The app already has Jitsi Meet invitations integration.

That's cool!

I'm not going to change my IM app, because i'm happy with, but it's nice to know of alternatives.

[โ€“] Engywuck@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Firefox is not European

[โ€“] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe add ~~Delta chat~~ SimpleX (and Signal of course)

[โ€“] raymondpeterfellow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Curious why you struck Delta chat.

[โ€“] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

It has no forward secrecy and cryptographic deniability, and is thus much less secure than Signal (or other messengers that implement the Signal protocol) or SimpleX

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