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Statistic on the news said that 50% of the population there are under 18...

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[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 90 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they don’t want the Palestinians either.

Same reason Jordan hasn’t done it.

It’s been suggested and rejected.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IIRC, Egypt also sees Hamas as a threat since Hamas is backed by Iran. They aren't going to do anything to make life easier for Hamas or similar groups.

[–] wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Jordan won’t take them either.

Now in all fairness they want their own country even though historically they’ve never had one.

That may be the right move but they have to stop acting like terrorist first.

I had a good Palestinian friend who always felt they should merge with Israel and ride the gold train

[–] dmonzel@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

they have to stop acting like terrorist first.

Maybe Israel should stop acting like fascists.

[–] fluke@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

One does not excuse the other.

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[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Every thread on Lemmy the last few days.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

The kurds never had a country should we let them continue to be abused?

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[–] kglitch@kglitch.social 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Egypt already has 12 million homeless people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_homeless_population

1.2 out of 10 people in Egypt is homeless.

Jordan, with a population of 11 million people, already has 2.1 million Palestinian refugees and 1.4 million Syrian refugees.

Those countries are in no position to help.

Look elsewhere for solutions.

[–] 4L3moNemo@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I have a question. How many homeless people do we need to build a house, taken that stones, clay and sticks are available (or provided)? People once build pyramids there. World is anyway supporting them with food and a means to live – can't the leadership be provided too (if they can't organize themselves)? Can't able to work build the houses for themselves and others? What do they do all day?

P.S. and I understand than not everybody can work, some have health issues - but hey, we are talking about 12milion, sure there are atleast 120k able to work persons in that crowd, who could work for 2 hours per day each.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

So you want to make a scrap material slum? With no infrastructure like running water or sewage?

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I suppose anything is possible if you take human dignity out of the equation.

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[–] Lexam@lemmy.ca 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

We moved a bunch of people and made Israel. So let's do it again. We'll just move the Palestinians to Wyoming. We've got plenty of space up there.

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You know what? Fuck it, let's do it. We helped create these problems, let's help solve them. 67% of Gaza's population is under 24, so any money we spend, we'll like get back in tax dollars. We can set up a Palestinian relocation bureau and start a voluntary exodus. Set aside relocation into our empty ass states, with some condition that they must maintain permanent residence for 5-10 years in that state. Have a jobs program and generate a great surge of skilled labor. We might let in a few extremists, but a third of our population is already there, so a couple thousand more won't really impact our status quo too much.

[–] Chocrates@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like the but enthusiasm but not all wyomingers will want neighbors, kinda like some of the indigenous Palestinians didn't necessarily want a bunch of settlers. Hmm

[–] Letstakealook@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Not just Wyoming, we have quite a few states that sit empty. Their opinions on the issue don't matter. They'll just have to make do, like they expect others to do. Like I said, we'll make it voluntary for the Palestinians. Those who want to stay and fight the power in the apartheid state can, but those who want a chance at something else can come on over.

[–] chuso@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I know you are not suggesting that seriously, but if we were to consider that seriously, I don't think it would work.
Palestine (and more concretely Jerusalem) is considered the Holy Land by Judaism, Islam and Christianity. That's why the state of Israel was created there and not somewhere else. And that's why Palestinians wouldn't receive with a lot of enthusiasm the idea of being given a state of their own somewhere else.
A big part of the conflict is a "holy war" thing about who controls the Holy Land.

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[–] jeebus@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

I told this to a group of people once and the silence killed me from ever commenting on the situation in a group setting again. A diplomat I am not
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[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What kind of heartless monster do you have to be to inflict Wyoming on the poor souls‽

Haven't they suffered enough‽

You'd probably see the most success relocating them to the great lakes where arab communities are already pretty well established. Also Queens to a lesser extent, Palestinians in particular would feel right at home in Queens, they've got Knaffeh and everything!

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[–] dmonzel@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago

To add to what everyone else has said, why should the Palestinians be forced to move? You're suggesting the next Armenian Genocide or Trail of the Tears.

[–] simple@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aside from what everyone else is saying, Egypt is on the verge of economic collapse. People are poor and the Egyptian Pound is losing all of its value, even if we do open our borders Egypt won't be able to provide any kind of support to them.

[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Why Doesn't France/UK/US/Italy/Japan/China/Russia/Turkey or whatever country open it's border ?

[–] Kra@mtgzone.com 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because we gladly don't border Gaza

[–] jeebus@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Fucking right. I'm so glad I'm nowhere near that area. I looked at my six months old son and it just breaks my heart all the kids that are terrified right now bcz of power hungry assholes.

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[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And still we could travel there without passing through any other country.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Explain how France, UK share a border with the Middle East?

If you say "airport" then New Zealand and Greenland go on your list too.

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[–] yogurt@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Israel's peace treaty with Egypt after the Yom Kippur War gives Israel control of a 100-meter wide buffer between Gaza and Egypt. So it doesn't open its borders because it doesn't have one, just a border with Israel. A later agreement gave Egypt some limited control over the buffer zone, so there are Egyptian guards in charge of the border crossing now, but they can't do whatever they want.

[–] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the link, there is a link to another article that details Egypt's request to open a humanitarian corridor. Good to hear, and answers my question.

Reuters reported that Egyptian authorities have asked Israel to refrain from targeting the border area and to create a safe corridor for civilians, citing two security sources.

[–] redcalcium@lemmy.institute 8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Accepting 2 million refugees from Gaza (~2% of Egypt population) would surely crash Egypt economy and cause many unforseen social issues.

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[–] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because Israel's neighbors pretend to take the moral highground when in reality, none of them want to accept the Palestinians either. No country wants to look soft on migration. Poltics 101.

[–] Rally@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Is there a good eli5 on this. There is a lot here to understand and unpack and i need to be better educated. I think in the end it's a holy war but don't want to make improper assumptions.

[–] fluke@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ryan McBeth has done a fairly succinct video on it.

It's very high level and skips a lot of nuance, but you get the idea.

https://youtu.be/Azs7As3MYFU?si=UrUGjWbh1tpyNM5J

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just fyi, if you're interested in anonymity always strip the ?=si parameter from any YouTube url you share. "si" stands for source identifier, it is there for invasive tracking purposes, and because you posted this now your YouTube ID is linked with your fluke@lemmy.world account.

It's easy to strip, and you can strip it even when the rest of the url is shortened by simply removing everything after and including the question mark:

https://youtu.be/Azs7As3MYFU

If there are other parameters like a time mark, just strip the part that involves the si=, leaving the t= info, and the remaining url will still work fine.

Just so you know. I did not click on it as you had it; I copied and stripped it before pasting because fuck Google, but go ahead and edit your post now if you care about not having your social media accounts linked to each other.

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Awesome PSA, thank you! :)

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