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[-] bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 25 points 1 year ago

Omniman is basically a goat fucker.

[+] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone -28 points 1 year ago

And Frieren is basically carrying out a genocide. Both of them are bad.

[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 1 year ago

In universe, she says demons behave like animals and are made out of magic. It could be she is forcing an extinction of a different species whose only purpose is preying on humans

It could also be that I am falling for elf propaganda but I can't talk to the demons to know their opinion

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 1 year ago

People: "We're tired of all these 'misunderstood villains' we want unapologetically evil for the sake of evil."

Frieren: "Okay here's monsters that learned to imitate human language and emotion solely to manipulate and kill humans."

The same people: "No! You're wrong! They're just misunderstood and you're doing a genocide!"

Yeah, any media that depicts something human like being an irredeemable monster that the only solution is destruction is inherently tricky because dehumanizing is pretty much always the first step in mass atrocities irl. But my God I've seen so many people tie themselves in knots trying to give the benefit of the doubt to demons in Frieren.

[-] Zanshi@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Demons in Frieren were shown to be irredeemable monsters so many times, people arguing they aren't are idiots. There's no benefit of the doubt to be given to them.

[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

You cant directly talk to them, but if you can hide your mana well enough, you can hear their monolog about how evil their species is

Also, werent elfs killed on sight by them, following their kings orders?

[-] Traister101@lemmy.today 13 points 1 year ago

I genuinely don't know why people are confused about the Demons in frieren. They are fundamentally incompatible with humanity. There is no Grey zone. They are monsters, not your happy friendly fantasy where some monsters are good monster monsters. The only connections they are capable of understanding is strength. The only language they truly understand is power. They learned the human tongue not to communicate but to manipulate. The anime and the Manga make it exceptionally clear, the Demons in Frieren are just monsters. There is no redemption. Just like how you can't genocide a lion, or a mosquito you cannot genocide the demons in frieren.

[+] HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone -16 points 1 year ago

"...makes it exceptionally clear" yeah... No. The anime and manga time and time show demons valuing other things than "power" all the time.

The mere fact that they have free will makes it completely unacceptable to do a genocide. A genocide, as Frieren wants it, is indiscriminate, meaning that if there are good demons, they too will be executed.

[-] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 year ago

Out of curiosity, when did they show that? Every interaction with demons I remember from it they are shown to be manipulating people at best.

The "Diplomatic Envoys" were literally trying to figure out the town's barrier so their master could come in and slaughter them.

The "little girl" in the flashback with Himmel outright says that she called out for her "Mommy" despite demons literally abandoning their young once they're born because "that word stops humans" and nothing more.

Like yeah it's inherently difficult writing something that looks human as actually an irredeemable monster that the only solution is destruction because dehumanizing vulnerable groups is pretty much always the first step in real life genocides. But I don't recall any instances of demons in Frieren actually showing "humanity" for any other reason than to manipulate and kill humans.

[-] Feyd@programming.dev 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They are shown valuing things other than power in the manga (later in the story than the anime currently) but other demons think they're weirdos and they still are fundamentally wanting to arbitrarily kill humans.

[-] arrow74@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I hear you, but also if my species is your only food source and cannot be replaced by any of the available means of the time I'm not sure what other options remain

[-] Maalus@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Except Omniman cared, just put up a "tough guy" persona to convince his son. He wasn't sincere, maybe even with himself, and even later said to himself he misses "his wife". Not "that human", "the pet", etc. Same thing with why he didn't conquer Earth

[-] ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Spoilers much?

[-] BrokenGlepnir@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

"when I said she was like a pet to me, I meant it in the most litteral way possible. Remember when you found that dog collar under the couch and I said it was because we were getting you a dog? That was a lie son. Truthfully your mother likes it when I put her on a leash and walk her around the back yard. She's usually naked of course. I can't explain why, but the whole thing is her idea."

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