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All of this news coming out now show you just how terrible democrats are at being a real opposition party. All of this was known and it never came to the attention of the media.
To be fair, this was all information that was published before. Just like now, it changes absolutely nothing for his supporters.
Not to say that the dems aren’t terrible at messaging. But this seems to be more of a case of Trump having so many scandals that people forgot the details of this one. Saw someone post the other day that they went to Epsteins wikipedia page and had completely forgotten large swathes of it. Its just too much, too fucked up, for people to hold on to it.
And the worst part is, none of it is hidden. The video from the 90s (maybe early aughts) that had him speaking about his good friend ‘who, you know, likes them a little on the young side,’ was from Inside Edition (iirc). Dude casually admitted his friend was a pedo and it gets published as a puff piece.
None of this is new, none of this is unknown, its just unbearably fucked up.
Not as unique as you might think. This might be an elite class issue. A lot of people knew about Harvey Weinstein before he got metooed.
And it makes those folks just as culpable. Knowing someone is actively committing that sort of crime and doing nothing is nearly as bad as doing it.
What is someone supposed to do exactly? Epstein was one of the most powerful and well connected individuals when he was alive. Let’s say you saw an employee who looked young—you go to the police, you tell them your suspicions…did you get her ID? Do you think Epstein won’t sue you until you’re broke? Do you think there will be justice when he can call up politicians and get things buried?
I’m not suggesting that everyone should keep their mouth shut all the time, it is just that he was a huge dragon that could not be attacked unless you were a particularly qualified hero. Who knows how many people tried to blow the whistle and ended up dead or discredited and in poverty. It is easy enough to say “they should have done something”, but succeeding is a whole different ballgame.
If you were deep enough to actually know things that you could prove, you were very likely the kind of person who was also guilty. That is part of why the plan worked for so long.
Just like now, it changes absolutely nothing for his supporters.
I'm sure a sizeable portion of them think it makes him a real stud.
Not to say that the dems aren’t terrible at messaging. But this seems to be more of a case of Trump having so many scandals that people forgot the details of this one.
This isn't an exclusively Trump scandal. Epstein has his hooks in dozens - if not hundreds - of people. Billionaires like Bill Gates and politicians like Bill Clinton and royals like Andrew Edwards, Prince of York This is at least as big as the Jack Abramoff scandal from the Bush Jr era, a scandal that DeLay inadvertently engineered as exclusively Republican through his K-Street project.
It isn't a simple messaging problem. It goes to the foundations of fundraising, candidate selection, and bureaucratic organization. Far too many people are dirty within the upper ranks of both parties.
A lot of it was out. The Republicans refused to believe it until now.
Many will still do mental gymnastics to rationalize it away.
I think it's more a testament to how much the average american ignores, I don't think anything new has really been released regarding Epstein and Trump. Mostly rehashing similar acqusations that have been floating around for years.
I mean there is sworn testimony of him raping an ex-wife https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-exwife-claim-he-raped-her-resurfaces-in-new-documentary-a6836151.html but that never got any traction.
Yeah this isn't exactly true. I'm pretty sure this was reported on before 2016, and people just didn't care then.
But yes, Democrats are awful at messaging and drop the ball at every opportunity.
people just didn’t care then.
Which "people"? I thought/think it's fucked up and I wish it was a bigger issue. It's literally media/hegemony that chooses which tales to hype or bury.
Epstein was a young woman? No way.
The real criminals here are....Obama, Hillary Biden, and Adam Schiff, though! Something something argle bargle "coup" ten years ago! Why won't the liberals see that?!!!
Hillary's husband is on the flight logs, we dont need to play team sports when it comes to child rapists.
...downvoters ok with fucking kids?...
Maybe due to how they where not invited?
Pretty sure this was reported on before the 2016 election and nobody gave a shit.
All his voters wanted to be at the party. When the "grab them by the pussy" tape was revealed, his voters donned "Trump can grab me by the pussy" t-shirts.
Nooooooo trust me bro the list will ruin him bro, trust me. Just one more rape allegation and we beat facism bro they just have to release the list.
It will be our little secret party 🫲🍊🫱
On Truth Social, President Donald J. Trump issued a bold and unequivocal statement today blasting what he called a “DISGUSTING, DESPERATE, and TOTALLY FAKE” media smear campaign, denying reports that he hosted a private party for young women with convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein as the only other invited guest.
“LET ME BE VERY CLEAR,” Trump said from his Mar-a-Lago estate. “I NEVER — and I mean NEVER — HOSTED ANY PARTY WITH EPSTEEN OR WHATEVER. NEVER HAPPEND. TOTAL FICTON. Just more LIES from the FAILING FAKE NEWS MEDIA.”
The allegation, first published in The New York Times is based on statements by Florida businessman George Houraney and claimed a gathering at Trump’s Florida property included young women and only one other guest—Jeffrey Epstein. Trump called the implication “SICK, TWISTED NONSENSE from a LOSER who I REFUSED to give a job to, even though HE BEGGED ME!.”
“JEFFREY EPSTEEN? I BANNED HIM FROM MAR-A-LAGO, OKAY? He was a VERY BAD GUY. Everyone KNOWS IT. The WORST. Unlike SLICK WILLIE CLINTON — who was flying on the ‘LOLCITA EXPRESS’ like, what, 30 times? SAD!”
Trump went on to recount an alleged emotional encounter with a supporter. “A VERY STRONG MAN came up to me, big guy, tough — real tough — tears in his eyes. And he said, ‘SIR, THANK YOU for NEVER going to that party. THANK YOU for KICKING OUT EPSTEEN.’ And I said, ‘I KNOW.’ He cried. It was beautifull. Most people wouldn’t understand.”
Team Trump emphasized that “no credible evidence exists” of any such party and warned that legal action may be taken against “SLANDEROUS HACKS” in the press.
“IT’S ALWAYS FAKE NEWS,” Trump concluded. “THEY’VE BEEN LYING SINCE THE ESCALATOR. TOTAL WITCHUNT. VERY UNFARE!”
I can’t tell if this is real or satire 🙃
It’s so icky how they try to use “young women”
The hits keep coming
No wonder why he is deflecting so hard. He has walked back so much stuff other than harming people and ruining economy.
Didn't the whole Epstein stuff come up when he decided to run for president? I always wondered if he only ran to be in better control of the fallout.
He ran to avoid jail.
Dude couldn't look more guilty if he tried.
