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[-] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 87 points 1 year ago

Actually! Wheel11 is really outdated, which is why im building wheeland, which is more secure and <...>

[-] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago
[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Not sure how this applies when:

  • X11 was the only standard prior to Wayland.
  • GNOME is dropping X11 in a short time.
  • KDE's telemetry even five months ago showed 80+% of (that portion of) their userbase uses Wayland, and they plan to drop X11 once they have a concrete set of problems worked out.
  • Hyprland and Sway run Wayland exclusively.
  • Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce are working on Wayland sessions. Cinnamon's is there but, I think, still experimental.
  • Budgie is working to go Wayland-only.
  • There's no sign that Wayland will stop improving from a state that's arguably already much better than X11.
  • X11's actual maintainers barely want anything to do with it beyond bug fixes, and the only person who wants to "innovate" it via a fork is a bigot and a fucking moron who doesn't know things you learn in CS 101.
  • X11's maintainers are majorly involved in developing Wayland and have been since the start. This is their idea.

It seems like it went from "Situation: there is one standard" to "Situation: there are two standards developed by largely the same people with one set to replace the other", and then soon: "Situation: there is one standard and one translation layer kept around for a decade or so for compatibility."

Not every single time someone tries to make things better is this xkcd relevant; this had nothing to do with unifying standards and everything to do with superseding one.

[-] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Huh neat. I kinda just assumed "wheel11" had 10 other versions and didnt realize it was an analogy for something irl

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You are actually correct that Wheel11 had 10 other versions. It just happens that those 10 other versions were released before September 1987.

[-] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

> Pretty much everything uses wayland now

> nVidia drivers don't work on Wayland

> ANGER

And that's why I'm getting AMD when I'll be ~~modernizing~~ replacing my setup

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

> nVidia drivers don’t work on Wayland

What?

I'm using Wayland with nvidia-open drivers and I don't have a problem even using proton via Wayland for HDR.

[-] Gutek8134@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I'm using the proprietary ones on Bazzite and they don't let me change my refresh rate - fortunately it only went from 75Hz to 60.

When I looked up the issue, the only reason I could find is that the drivers have issues with Wayland.

[-] FauxLiving@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ah.

I've used a few distros that locked specific patch levels and that's just one of the kinds of issues you deal with. Sometimes that version has a bug and you have to wait for the next major release to get the update.

I'm using a rolling release distro, which comes with a different set of problems. But, I have the latest drivers and Wayland updates and have not encountered any significant issues using high refresh rate, VRR, HDR even while gaming.

It's also possible that Bazzite is using gamescope which does have significant issues with NVIDIA, even still. But the newest versions of Proton support using Wayland directly (instead of XWayland), so it's possible to avoid using gamescope entirely without losing access to display features.

Obligatory "it works for me". I only had one issue with one game on Wayland. Some nvidia driver update fixed that a few months ago.

[-] DataElemental@programming.dev 25 points 1 year ago

I've seen this so many more times from Microsoft than anywhere else. They even tried reinventing a regex syntax just for their IDE!

[-] drewaustin@piefed.ca 23 points 1 year ago

You should get 20 Linux devs in there, then we can have 20 forks of wheel…

[-] shneancy@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

i don't think a wheel with 20 forks in it would work very well

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, it would, so long as the forks are the spokes of the wheel.

[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Be realistic, it's gonna be at least 30 forks

[-] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

pff you call that working fine?

[-] BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 1 year ago

I'm betting a certain highschool vibecoder will generate a million LOC before even trying the door.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

Sir, this is PROGRAMMER humor

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 year ago

This again? Insert "wheel was reinvented plenty of times" comment here.

[-] disco@lemdro.id 9 points 1 year ago

lemme yt-dlp this message so I can listen to it in the terminal for less distraction

[-] DrDystopia@lemy.lol 8 points 1 year ago

It's a proprietary wheel, we need to create a Flat Circle for Spinning (libFCS).

[-] AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the wheel doesnt need to be reinvented, but it does need to be broken down into its components so they can be used with other things that may need them.

the spoke, the circle, the tread, and the spoke hub should be broken up before accepting the PR.

[-] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 year ago

I am fan of reinventing stuff that was frankensteined to kinda work in a modern world..

I don’t like hacky solutions.

Hope systemd is next.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 year ago

Hope systemd is next.

OpenRC, Runit, dinit, s6, ...

[-] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 year ago

The init wars!

(There is a comic somewhere here)

*frankensteind

[-] Sergio@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Plot twist: once you accept the wheel without reinventing it, you have to pay a monthly wheel subscription.

[-] MNByChoice@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

No, the wheel needs to compile with this standard set of libraries and compilers, not that set of standard libraries and compilers. Duh!

[-] lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Resisting the urge to reinvent the wheel to run myself over with it

[-] maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

A spinning wheel? That just screams inefficiency to me... Make it solid state.

[-] Nanook@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago
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