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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 82 points 1 year ago

It's always lovely to be reminded that eugenics remains a popular idea so long as you don't call it that.

[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 55 points 1 year ago

I mean, this is a good idea for a big reason other than genes though, people who are currently addicted to meth shouldn't be having kids, not from a gene perspective but as an unfit parent and as an unsafe pregnancy standpoint.

[-] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 20 points 1 year ago

While I agree with you, the problem is, that it opens the door for a lot of other forms of eugenics. Once we decided that Meth users shouldn't have kids we can quickly expand the definition of who is "allowed to have kids". People who take LSD? Those psychopaths. Stoners? Homeless people? Black people?

It gives a certain group of people power over one of the most intimate secsectors of someone's private life. No one can guarantee, that at some point we are not the ones being included in the definition of "unfit for parenting" simply because we have the wrong political views or something like that.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This is only because the word "eugenics" has been made a bad word because people assume that anything called "eugenics" must be similar to the horrible things the Nazis did. It's the non-central fallacy -- such things are eugenics only in the same way that Martin Luther king is technically a criminal (he did violate the law by protesting) or abortion is murder (a "human being" does "die").

Polygenic scoring on embryos is legal and eminently doable if you're wealthy enough to afford it; it's a very effective way to eliminate the risk of debilitating genetic diseases like Down's Syndrome, and can greatly reduce the risk of things like Alzheimer's or some types of cancer. It also can improve the IQ of your child by up to ~8 points or so, which correlates (plausibly causally) with higher education and income in life. So basically, it's an effective way to help make your child more privileged. Right now it's only affordable by the very wealthy though, but perhaps in ten years it will be very cheap.

Notice though that it's unrelated to race pseudoscience and murder, even though race pseudoscientists and nazis like to talk about genetics and IQ.

[-] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago

jsomae, do you want Gattaca ? Because that’s how you get Gattaca !

And next for sale we have this worker with very small hands, through multiple generation of human breeding we have developped this fine pure bred specimen perfectly adapted to reaching into tight spaces and machinery, its mind is docile and obedient and doesn't get spooked easily by the loud sound of working high speed hydraulic presses. Very agile with tools and can read schematics but no artistic ability nor speech as a side effect of the genetic modification, on the plus side, they cannot form unions.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

Imagine if we got genetic engineering back when everybody inherited their parent's job. People named Smith would look like dwarves.

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There are other hazards and i don't trust this society to deal with any of them in healthy ways.

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[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 13 points 1 year ago

I mean we do take kids off crackheads. Repeatedly in some cases.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Looks like it’s time to reinvent the Torment Nexus from famed science fiction novel “Don’t Invent The Torment Nexus”. Maybe it will go well this time!

[-] Fizz 5 points 1 year ago

We already practice eugenics. Its a term that covers a lot of things. There's a line between good eugenics and bad eugenics. I'd say secretly bputting birth control in drugs to control population is bad eugenics.

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[-] hOrni@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

And a dash of chilli powder. I'm currently watching Breaking Bad for the first time.

[-] SillyDude@lemmy.zip 17 points 1 year ago

The episode where the kid named finger beats Walt Jr to death while Walter just sits in his cuck chair and jacks it is crazy

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[-] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Dude I envy that so much because you get to do this best thing about the whole show once you've finished it.

Do not for any reason look this up before you're done because of spoilers. But when you are done, search "breaking bad comics"

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

They should put meth in birth control. It would make it easier to remember to take it on time and I could call them “mommy’s pep pills” and it would be charmingly ironic because I have no children because I’m good at taking my pills on time.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Damn, beat me to it by 7 min.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

It’s because i’m brimming with pep.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I... don't know that heated, aerosolized birth control of any kind would... be an effective delivery mechanism...

But uh, honestly, his heart's in the right place, a child born addicted to meth is an absolute tragedy, basically just completely fucked from Day 0.

Cutting meth with BC drugs is ... probably way, way, waaaay safer than all the idiots currently cutting it with fentanyl, carfentanyl, the even stronger shit where an actual speck of sand's worth csn be the difference between a high and a completely guaranteed OD.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Birth control, like a USB thumb drive full with Asmongold videos?

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[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So this is like one or two steps removed from "sterilize people with ADHD lol." Kinda like RFK's super funny "work camp" idea.

Methamphetamine is literally still prescribed for ADHD under the name Desoxyn. Not as often as Adderall (mixed amphetamine salts), etc... but it is.

[-] s@piefed.world 16 points 1 year ago

Put both in the drinking water and also put a lime in a coconut

[-] cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 year ago

What happened to pedro pascal

[-] msage@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

Looks more like Louis CK

[-] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago

am i reading too much into a shitpost or is this essentially saying "sterilize drug users"

[-] mang0@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 year ago

Abstracting "meth users" to "drug users" is hell of a leap.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago

Absolutely is. Im guessing only temporarily though. Pretty sure you can just stop taking your birth control pills and start ovulating properly again.

Seems like a pretty good idea as long as it doesn't get slippery sloped. No babies while mething about.

I disagree with the eugenics involved here. but the real solution is free healthcare with accessible birth control.

[-] REDACTED@infosec.pub 3 points 1 year ago

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the idea of eugenics is that someone controls who can re-produce. Using drugs is a personal choice, and there are already drugs that screws up your re-production system.

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[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Counterpoint: Put meth in birth control. Maybe people will use it more often. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] tourist@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

But isn't too much birth control bad for your health?

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

it would be better to put it in church

[-] Formfiller@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Put birth control in ivermectin

[-] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 4 points 1 year ago

Imagine that... Birth control in all hard drugs.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

they should also put it in alcohol and tobacco

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[-] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 4 points 1 year ago

Another big reason for drug legalizing 🎖️

[-] potato_wallrus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm for this, not because I think they have bad genes, but because meth heads tend to make shitty parents

[-] ddplf@szmer.info 3 points 1 year ago

Cheeky bastartd wants to save up some money

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