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[-] FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org 153 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Beging anti Israel is not the same as antijew...

One thing is Antisemite, the other is pro himan rights.

Edit: since my comment sended mixed messages... I am totally against the Person who did it... Just because they ordered kosher meal, does not mean, that the Person is pro israeal / against palestina. And yeah i think Too we need To free palestina from hamas and genocidal people.

But the thing with the food was a dick move.

Edit2: fixed typos from my dann Smartphone, since i didnt set up the english words on my keyboard

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 186 points 1 year ago

Hi, Jew here. Allow me to demonstrate your stance.

Fuck Israel's genocidal campaign and everyone who supports it.

FIN

[-] FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org 28 points 1 year ago

❤️

More people need To think that way!

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago
[-] nickwitha_k@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 1 year ago

I may not know that many Jewish people but all of my hebros and hebroettes oppose genocide.

[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I know lots of Jewish people and most of them say they're anti-genocide and then say that this isn't a genocide. And if it is a genocide, then the Palestinians deserve it. I don't know if this belief is so pervasive because they're Jewish or because I'm from Texas with family in Israel.

All's I know is that most of the Jews I know would have been totally cool with Hitler as long as he wasn't killing too many Jews. I'm so fucking disappointed and disgusted by my family and community.

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[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago
[-] fartographer@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

You will regret that, but okay!

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[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 51 points 1 year ago

Yeah this is such a simple thing to argue against. The only jewish person that would be offended by a piece of paper with "free palestine" written on it is one that supports the Israeli genocide.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 year ago

Maybe it would be offensive if you are Jewish and you support Palestine? You might see it as an accusation against you? I dunno.

[-] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 year ago

Not the best comparison, but if somebody sticks a "FCK NZS" sticker on my door at work, im not gonna think that they see me as a nazi.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 year ago

But maybe if you were the only German in the office you might be offended by the implication?

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[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 year ago

What if they do actually see you as a Nazi though? Because I would wager that whoever wrote that message was expecting that the message would be read by a Zionist.

Don't get me wrong, I get what you're saying about not taking a sentiment personally if you know that you're not the intended audience. For example, I have many trans friends, who sometimes make jokes where cis people are part of the punchline. Although I'm cis, I don't take it personally because I know that being witness to the joke at all means that I am not the kind of person who is being joked about — indeed, it makes me feel privileged to be trusted enough to be within the "safe" bubble for my trans friends.

However, in this case, if I think about how I would feel if I were an anti-zionist Jew who received this meal, I'd feel pretty shitty because it would remind me of how gross it feels that Israel equating Judaism and the Israeli state makes Jewish people everywhere less safe; a fucked up side effects of Israel's atrocities is that even loudly anti-zionist Jewish people are at risk of increased antisemitism (genuine antisemitism, not just attacking the state of Israel and/or Zionist stances). It would feel shitty because no matter how loudly you scream "they do not speak for us" (an act that will get you condemned as being anti-Semitic, even if you're Jewish), Israel is not facing the kind of opposition that's necessary.

Part of how we resist Israel is by not letting them define themselves as synonymous with Judaism. I respect the intention of the person who wrote the message on the meal, but I believe the act itself to be misguided due to ultimately reinforcing Israel's preferred world view. It's important to remember that genuine antisemitism (i.e. stuff aimed at Jewish people rather than at Israel) is useful to Israel, because it helps them to manufacture consent for the ongoing genocide, and generally fuels the Zionist project

[-] GreenMartian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 year ago

FCK NZS

What did the New Zealanders do to deserve this??

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[-] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

I'd say hell yeah fuck Nazis and use some spray fixative on it

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[-] ryannathans@aussie.zone 98 points 1 year ago

Aren't the Palestinians Semites?

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 72 points 1 year ago

The word "semite" has two definitions, one mediveal and one modern.
Palestinians are Semites according to both of them.

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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 25 points 1 year ago

In practice, "antisemitic" means "anti-Jewish".

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[-] tomenzgg@midwest.social 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

While yes, the specific term "anti-Semitism" was popularized by the German journalist Wilhelm Marr as an alternative to the (at the time) more common phrase Judenhaß (e.g. Jew-hatred).

Basically, he wanted a more scientific-sounding term that made it sound less like plain hatred of other people but made it seem like the supposed deficiencies of Jewish people was a byproduct of their race rather than belonging to Jewish individuals.

His use of semitism/semitic as only referring to Jewish people rather than the broader group of peoples the terms had, originally, been coined for was also in line with other Germans of both his era and the previous century (and certainly into the next century as the Nazis used these reasonings to back their more developed "race" science and world-view).

That targeting has often been retained by the word even as it's outgrown its original prejudiced purpose.

[-] DancingBear@midwest.social 9 points 1 year ago

If true, this is ironic in that the Israeli government is the most similar to the Nazi government in our collective world history as far as genocide atrocities committed.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 1 year ago

And the award for best comment goes to you. Why didn't we all think of that?

I'm being serious. Good argument.

[-] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, the genocide of Palestinians IS another holocaust!

[-] DrWorm@piefed.social 37 points 1 year ago

It says “Free Palestin”. Totally different place

It's a typo. It's supposed to say "plasticine".

[-] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

No I'm pretty sure palestin is food. They're just labelling the free food.

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[-] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

This is indeed yet another holocaust! Messages promoting human rights, especially the right to survival, may have once been "dirty jew" arguments, during German Nazi regime. Thank goodness that challenges to ethnic supremacy can be freely compared to a holocaust, today. Much progress.

[-] ruuster13@lemmy.zip 23 points 1 year ago

Tony is glorifying the label "antisemite." Nobody is winning here.

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[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 year ago

For those confused, the concern of most of us is not that free palestine is an antisemitic statement, it is unequivocally not. The antisemitic part is thinking that because someone is jewish (ordering a kosher meal) that they need to be harassed and told "free palestine" let alone made to question the safety of their food.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The details are lacking, if this is on everyones meals, then that's ok in my books, if it only targets Jewish people then there is a problems

[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 year ago

https://liveandletsfly.com/free-palestine-iberia-kosher-meal/ It was on other kosher meals, it does not technically say it wasn't also on other non-kosher meals. I think it's a reasonable assumption though.

[-] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Yeah, if that's the case then it's a big issue with me.

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[-] pyre@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

muslims would likely prefer kosher meals as well, unless there's a specifically halal option.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago

Boo hoo, somebody has a wake up call. Because this isnt antisemitic this is targeted. It is a simple fact that the vast majority of Jewish people support the Occupation, a smaller (but still majority) percentage of people either implicitly or explicitly supports the genocide.

I know this because im acturally Jewish, ive acturally seen the occupation with my own eyes, ive spoken to more Zionists than I could possibly count, and I know that there are few fellow Jews like me.

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