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[-] ashenone@lemmy.ml 106 points 11 months ago

My boy nano getting a drive by. He always there for me when I need to quickly edit a conf file

[-] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 26 points 11 months ago

Delete nano already.

Let's make micro the standard!!

[-] AkatsukiLevi@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago
[-] tal@lemmy.today 23 points 11 months ago

ed is, in fact, in the POSIX standard.

https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/

Shell & Utilities -> Utilities -> ed

In fact, it looks like ex and sed, both child editors of ed, are baked into the standard. No pico-family editors.

[-] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 11 months ago
[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 11 months ago

Nice, an analognowhere I missed!

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[-] ashenone@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago

Why should micro be the standard over nano?

[-] unknowing8343@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Because nano has unacceptable key combos, and no support for mouse. micro has sensible key combos, good syntax highlighting and supports mouse perfectly fine.

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[-] LorIps@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago

Ed is the standard and only option.

[-] dgdft@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

EDITOR=shred too if you’re brave or having a rough day.

[-] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 11 months ago

Remember to put

#!/bin/rm

at the top of every file, to teach people not to execute files they shouldn't.

[-] jim3692@discuss.online 6 points 11 months ago

Please use "/usr/bin/env [command]". Otherwise, it will not work on NixOS

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[-] tal@lemmy.today 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Ed is kinda-sorta great-granddaddy vim.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(software)

ed (pronounced as distinct letters, /ˌiːˈdiː/)[1] is a line editor for Unix and Unix-like operating systems. It was one of the first parts of the Unix operating system that was developed, in August 1969.

Dennis M. Ritchie produced what Doug McIlroy later described as the "definitive" ed,[5] and aspects of ed went on to influence ex, which in turn spawned vi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi_(text_editor)

Vim ("Vi IMproved") has many additional features compared to vi, including (scriptable) syntax highlighting, mouse support, graphical versions, visual mode, many new editing commands and a large amount of extension in the area of ex commands.

I've never used qed, but it sounds like that might be considered even one step back:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_(software)

Many features of ed came from the qed text editor developed at Thompson's alma mater University of California, Berkeley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QED_(text_editor)

Initial release: 1967

I guess TECO


which I also have not used


would kinda-sorta be the emacs analog:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TECO_(text_editor)

TECO (/ˈtiːkoʊ/[1]), short for Text Editor & Corrector, [2] [3][4] is both a character-oriented text editor and a programming language,[5][6] that was developed in 1962 for use on Digital Equipment Corporation computers, and has since become available on PCs and Unix. Dan Murphy developed TECO while a student at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

It was subsequently modified by many other people[7] and is a direct ancestor of Emacs, which was originally implemented in TECO macros.

EDIT: Actually...hmm. Now that I think of it, I might have briefly used TECO on a DEC VAX/VMS cluster. IIRC, I mostly used EVE, though.

EDIT2: Hmm. Apparently someone has ported TECO to Linux:

https://www.almy.us/teco.html

TECO, that grand old text editor your father used when he was young, is still available! It is powerful and compact precursor to EMACS and has a completely nongraphical user interface. This is based on Pete Siemsen's TECOC implementation, and comes with a copy of the original DECUS TECO documentation.

Do I need a paper tape punch and reader to use TECO?

No. Modern TECOs will also edit text files.

Is TECO fast?

Yes, it's probably the fastest editor available

While I'm maintaining the files as I had worked on them and downloads here, Blake McBride has taken the source code, added the video/scope mode, fixed bugs and improved the speed (not that it is slow!), documented the changes and has it available in GitHub. Go here for his work https://github.com/blakemcbride/TECOC

tries building it

Hah. It takes under a third of a second to compile on my system:

$ git clone https://github.com/blakemcbride/TECOC.git
$ cd TECOC/src
$ time make -j32 -f makefile.linux >/dev/null 2>&1

real    0m0.296s
user    0m2.341s
sys     0m0.874s
$

Hmm. Yeah, I don't remember how to use this at all, if I did use it. Looks like the command syntax is a little like ed's, but you whack Escape twice to execute commands. Each press of Escape displays a dollar sign.

Intro guide © 1972: https://ia902906.us.archive.org/25/items/bitsavers_decpdp10TOandbook04tecoIntro_1457616/04_tecoIntro_text.pdf

$ ./tecoc
*Ihello, world!$$
*EWtest.txt$$
*EX$$
$ cat test.txt; echo
hello, world!
$

Clearly does work, though.

[-] LorIps@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

Vim is bloatware atop Ed making it insanely memory hungry and nearly unusable.

(Send from an IBM PC with 256k memory running LFS)

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[-] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 28 points 11 months ago

This "neutrality" is like giving equal voice to doctors and tobacco companies. They need to take the initiative for public health and declare the correct, ergonomic editor as international standard.

[-] QuazarOmega@lemy.lol 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Which is clearly...

The pen

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[-] pemptago@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

Yes, but only if it's the editor I use /s

[-] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

Of course. Why would you use the wrong editor?

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[-] Brewchin@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Awesome. And now...

  • Step 2: Tabs or spaces.
[-] bluemoon@piefed.social 11 points 11 months ago

a tab is four spaces... press tab all you want...

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Vertical or horizontal tabs?

[-] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

Slazer here opening a new front in the tabs v space war

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[-] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago
[-] DeltaWingDragon@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 months ago

You're in luck, it's a designated neutral editor

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[-] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

You pervert!

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[-] DaGeek247@fedia.io 18 points 11 months ago

Defaulting to nano without explicit user consent will be considered a class c user experience violation

One step forward, two steps back. I always hate how politicians can be so accommodating of the popular minority while still being so discriminatory against the less popular ones.

[-] muzzle@lemmy.zip 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I use helix, BTW. It's like vim (but backwards) and it's written in rust.

[-] Jumuta@sh.itjust.works 14 points 11 months ago

main selling point being that it's purple

[-] pemptago@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago

It's like neovim if you had amnesia and forgot all the time spent installing plugins and getting your configs just right.

[-] shellington@lemmings.world 15 points 11 months ago

Why does nano always get such hate. Surely as a quick simple text editor it does the job?

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[-] AnarchistArtificer@slrpnk.net 14 points 11 months ago

Vim has long since won the war. I say that as an emacs user who is familiar with using vim because it's installed by default on the vast majority of computers I interact with nowadays

[-] jenesaisquoi@feddit.org 13 points 11 months ago

Defaulting to nano without consent

This is the real crime

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[-] Gobbel2000@programming.dev 13 points 11 months ago

All offices within the EU administration will be supplied with the officially modified flavors of eumacs and neuvim.

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[-] utopiah@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I was laughing out loud until I read the part on VS Code or Google Docs to "avoid ideological tensions".

Clearly Herve Beraud is a closed source advocate, total rage bait! /s

[-] madjo@feddit.nl 10 points 11 months ago

nano for lyfe! what's the fine for a "class c user experience violation"?

[-] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 9 points 11 months ago
[-] pudgymongrel@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

That's torture and a human rights violation!

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[-] myotheraccount@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

I don't use Arch btw.

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 9 points 11 months ago

Isnt that the woman who bent down to Trump to fuck over Europe?

[-] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 months ago

Depends on how you look at it. The deal she made is never going to get ratified by the EU member states, but placated Trump enough to lower his stupid tariffs to acceptable levels. I think she 100% knew the deal she agreed with him was never going in effect and she just wanted to buy time, which so far has worked.

It makes a lot of sense to buy time for a variety of reasons. She took a hit to her image with this "deal" but she effectively accomplished all the goals she had going into those discussions. But from afar it looks like she was played.

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[-] exu@feditown.com 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

How do they count Neovim?
Also, Emacs absolutely can emulate vim, making it unnecessary

[-] tomiant@piefed.social 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] McMonster@programming.dev 5 points 11 months ago

European Commision's laptops run on Windows 11 and then they need to pay for AWS to do any kind of meanigful work... And then some devs still pick Windows to run on AWS anyway!

[-] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)
[-] OR3X@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR

[-] ShadyGrove@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You don't need ed, emacs can emulate it.

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