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I don't mean to be pessimistic, bit since most subreddits are only going dark for a couple days, the site will basically be back to normal soon. I wonder how many users here are only here because of temporary outrage and not because they actually prefer Lemmy. I'm curious about people's outlook on this situation.

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[–] panoptic@fedia.io 30 points 1 year ago

No idea - but I actually think the Fediverse concept maps to Reddit way better than it has other social networks so I could see some iteration of this really catching on over time.

For something like Twitter, the whole value proposition is "one big universal conversation" and the federated stuff gets in the way of that a little bit, but Reddit has always been a federation of communities (who occasionally fight, join together, cross post, etc) - that maps really well to this stuff.

[–] yote_zip@pawb.social 22 points 1 year ago

I'm not here because lemmy is better right now, but because I want to move towards open platforms and a better future. It's an investment. Deciding to move right back to reddit 2 days after they just stabbed you in the back is shortsighted in the extreme. Reddit will not stop until it devours itself and you along with it. Disabling the API is only the latest in a long line of anti-user changes in favor of money, and you can be sure there's more on the horizon.

I'd encourage anyone who isn't 100% satisfied with lemmy and its user experience right now to give it some leeway, because you're comparing the experience to reddit apps that have had years and years of polish. With a community and donations to servers and developers, we can quickly fix the most egregious papercuts. These are growing pains, and they won't last forever.

[–] ndr@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Impossible to say now, but definitely quite a lot of them are not going to be regular users. I still hope/believe the majority will stay though.

[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

At the very least the exposure will put Lemmy on the map

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm probably going to start using Reddit again when the blackout ends and keep using it until the end of the month, but once RIF stops working I don't see myself going back. The way I see it, the last couple of days have been a nice stress-test period for Lemmy, but the real exodus will start in July.

Yeah Sync for Reddit is shutting down at the end of the month, so I'll go back and save some of my favorites and then officially get off Reddit for good come July.

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[–] ConstipatedFox@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I can guarantee I won't be going back to reddit on mobile if they go ahead with the API changes. I may occasionally use reddit on desktop but 99% of my reddit usage was on mobile via Sync.

Once they get rid of old.reddit (which they inevitably will) that will force my hand and I'll have to fully move to Lemmy. As luck would have it, the developer of Sync is considering re-purposing it to run on Lemmy which would be perfect for me.

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[–] BitR1ot@fedia.io 17 points 1 year ago

I have no intention of installing the official Reddit app. I’ve used Apollo for years and I’ll leave once it’s no longer an option. The way Reddit treated the Apollo developer is inexcusable.

I managed to quit Twitter, I’m certain I can quit Reddit too.

[–] bcbane@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Not going back unless I’m looking for some obscure piece of knowledge. This fulfills my needs for news and conversations about niche topics. Hoping this keeps growing and new mobile apps come out to support it

[–] mop@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've been using Jerboa on Android, it works quite well! I especially appreciate the "all" feed where you can see posts from all instances.

A bit difficult to know if the app or the instance is bugging out when something goes wrong, but I've realized it's mostly the instance (lemmy.ml). I assume it's because all of us Reddit users have come over!

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[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Probably a good chunk, I don't mean to be pessimistic either but that's how it usually works on "big" movements.

Some people follow the flow because they're caught into the enthusiasm of the moment while not being actually convinced about what they're doing, those people are highly likely to go back when things are back to normal (tho in my opinion reddit will never be "normal" again).

How many they are is impossible to tell.

The blackout is only the first wave, there will be another one IMO when 3rd party apps actually shutdown (June 30th), after that, things will settle and population on lemmy will lower, that's not a bad thing IMO, it doesn't do any good to have people here that don't actually want to be here.

As for me, since I joined I'm doing my best to be involved in lemmy communities with the specific purpose of not missing reddit anymore and not care anymore when they'll break old.reddit (they will like their doing with the API).

I already feel at home here, I'm not going drastic as to nuke my reddit account or anything, tho I'll most probably make a GDPR request and leave for good.

[–] iso@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I will likely go where Reddit Sync goes. I don't really mind if the content here isn't as vast as on Reddit, if I have Sync I have all that I need

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[–] sorrowstouch@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm staying here, the community is way better. I'll use both but only post and comment on Lemmy

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[–] justalyintometa@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I’ll still always rely on Reddit for obscure answers to questions when googling, but I plan on staying with Lemmy once Apollo is taken down. I’ve been trying it out and adjusting to it during the blackout and as long as the community stays somewhat consistent, I like it here more. Reminds me of when I first joined Reddit over a decade ago.

I usually wont quit an app over changes like this but Reddit to me is different. I like Reddit for being a place to find new communities to join and interact with what’s popular, and since the spez ama and the removal of 3rd party apps I just don’t trust it to stay that way anymore. The last thing I want to see Reddit become is another infinite scrolling content feed that an algorithm thinks you’ll like so you never want to stop scrolling. And I’m assuming since they just want to seek profit that’s what it will eventually become.

[–] Malintent@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm staying; I primarily use Reddit on mobile - once RIF is gone, I'm gone. I am not using the official app even if they pay me.

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[–] WhoRoger@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't think the kind of people who are willing to try out some geeky experiment of a social network are totally dependent on Reddit culture.

Exodus from one network to another (or to nowhere) is a thing that's happened in the past, and if anything, people aren't willing to go back once they finally take the effort.

Tho I'm guessing lots of people have multiple accounts such as alts for r34, and may keep using those until Reddit finally shuts off all nsfw.

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[–] bigkahuna1986@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If there's one demographic of users likely to stick with the fediverse it's going to be redditors.

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[–] patatahooligan@beehaw.org 9 points 1 year ago

I have to image that most people with no intention of staying would not make accounts. Registered users are probably at least contemplating staying here for more than a couple of days. So the question for me is: will the communities here build a critical mass to sustain themselves after the blackout?

For me personally it's very simple. I will keep using Lemmy if there is enough activity to be worth it. I don't need it to be perfect or as active as Reddit or whatever. Just meaningful enough to warrant my time. I will keep my Reddit account for the time being, though.

[–] Calvin@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm going to try my darnedest to not go back on Reddit. I'm sure I'm just a drop in the bucket for them, but it's the principle of the thing. Same thing with Netflix and their recent household bs. Even though I got a discounted plan / free plan for fewer screens with my phone plan, I canceled because I don't want to give them a single cent. I found myself habitually opening Reddit yesterday on my phone and then immediately closing it, so I forced myself to delete Sync :(

Still trying to get used to Lemmy but gotta rip off that Reddit band-aid and start using this more. The biggest thing I'll miss is just how widespread Reddit was. If I had a specific question, typically Googling my question and appending "reddit" at the end would do the trick lol. Hopefully engagement here can slowly build up to that one day.

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[–] bardm@lemmy.fmhy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think I'll have a look in a couple of days. But if they go through and kill 3rd party apps that's goodbye from me.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 points 1 year ago

Agreed.

Old.reddit is OK on desktop. But on a mobile browser, it is constantly harassing you to the official app, which is absolutely terrible.

When Relay stops working, I don't see myself going back to reddit much at all.

It depends on how many communities migrate from reddit to lemmy. I will definitely not return to reddit on mobile once third party apps are shut down, but if reddit changes their stance and third party apps come back, I may go back if most of my communities haven’t migrated to lemmy.

[–] socialjusticewizard@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm sure there will be a huge downtick, but there's also people like me who heard about Lemmy because of Reddit but this is totally something I'd support. Now that I know it's here, I have a source for my cat videos and obscure video game recommendations, I don't really need the activity and tumult of Reddit. I'm sure there are dozens like me. Dozens.

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[–] EtherCityRule@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

To be honest I came here because of the blackout. I intend to stay. I have already been more active here than in years lurking on Reddit!

[–] CannaVet@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most.

90% of the engagement I've seen regarding Lemmy is "Why isn't this Reddit and work exactly the same as Reddit? When WILL it work exactly the same as Reddit?"

I'm already seeing hostility a la "Well I guess we'll see if the devs LiStEn To ThIeR uSeRs" in regards to communities getting tied to a central authority, aka the thing this was explicitly designed to not do. I've been offloading my data and such to self hosted options for a few years now where I can anyway, so I'm down to stay, but I DO look forward to the end of the protest and the Reddit stans going home like nothing happened like they were always going to.

[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I like to think that Lemmy is transitioning from early adopters to First Followers (to take from this Ted talk

If only 10% of new users stay, they start to build out new servers and communities. As Reddit continues to degrade, some (maybe even most) of those 90% will start to trickle back, creating lasting growth and widespread adoption (vs the casual tourism).

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[–] planet_barf@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

Personally, I like it here and will probably stick around. I hope the servers can scale, and that new communities grow.

I'll still wind up looking at Reddit for meme content until it turns up here. There's a lack of goofy pointless shit here currently.

[–] Q320@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

We need to educate users and Reddit people to really understand how Lemmy works, and why it's good. People keep giving the email analogy but that may not be enough. I still see a lot of users asking if they need to have an account on every Lemmy instance. We need to explain simply that :

  • You can sub a community that is not local ;
  • There can be two community that are called the same but on different instance (ie: asklemmy@lemmy.ml and asklemmy@lemmy.world) ;
  • Same is for your username. We should also give tips on how to find an instance that is relevant for you and how to find communities.
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[–] ButterBiscuits@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago

The amount of new content I'm seeing every day should prevent some of that.

I'm seriously shocked at how much Lemmy has blown up over the past couple days.

[–] CCatMan@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] aqua@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago

Even if I get bored here, I won’t go back.

[–] Lemon_Man@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The users will go where the content is.

If reddit has 90% of the content it will get 90% of the users. If it has 90% of the users they will generate the content.

It's a chicken and the egg problem that will only changes when someone drops the egg.

[–] phil_m@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Well reddit is currently dropping the egg...

[–] plisken@lemmy.fmhy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I'm never going back (Besides to delete my account).

Lemmy reminds me of when I first joined Reddit. There isn't a constantly changing frontpage (yet). The communities are smaller, but thats a good thing. I actually want to participate.

I've drunk the koolaid. I'm considering starting an instance for my personal professional community that I lost since the pandemic.

Mastodon didnt click for me, but neither did twitter even in its hey-day. Just not my cup of tea. But Lemmy does.

[–] robocop@fedia.io 6 points 1 year ago

As a near strictly mobile only user of Reddit for nearly 10 years, they have made the decision for me by forcing everyone to use their completely horrible app. On the rare occasions at work that a search result populates with a Reddit result, I'll probably still go there, but using an adblocking browser.

To me it is extremely difficult to justify Reddit actually achieving a worthwhile IPO when their product is reliant 100% on user generated content and volunteer moderation. As an investor, I would be concerned about the longevity of a forum that doesn't have adequate moderation tools, shows hostility against their own userbase, and a complete disregard for their own "AMA rules".

Reddit is dead. They have struck their own final blow.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago

Doesn't matter, this is how these things gain traction. It's all about trends, especially on social media, baby.

[–] chrizbie@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I'm making a commitment to lemmy, I am enjoying it although it does feel a little anemic by comparison to the endless content of Reddit..

It really just depends on how well utilised it is going forward I'm happy to stay here for sure but if it ends up a ghost town then I might drop out of the habit of using it (hopefully not though)

[–] Korlock@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't want to go back to reddit but as it stands now I don't see Lemmy/mastadon being it's replacement. You didn't have to read a manual to browse reddit. It was much more intuitive.

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[–] TiredSpider@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I didn't even know there was a fediverse reddit alternative until the blackout, so that's why I'm here. But if I had known lemmy was a thing before now I would have moved earlier. If the communities here that interest me don't fizzle out I'll stay, I would guess a lot of others are in the same boat.

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[–] mglap@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Every day, I open jerboa and see like 5x more communities with a lot of activity. If we can keep up this level of growth for another week or so, then i don't think I'll miss Reddit much. Especially if i really have to download the official app. On the other hand, if Reddit backs down at the last minute and agrees to allow third party apps, then i could see lemmy users going back to Reddit out of habit.

[–] sibe@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Mostly everyone who will try kbin/lemmy as an alternative to Reddit. Unreal how bad the UI/UX is considering the time they've had to copy Reddit.

Lemmy

  • Posts are randomly added realtime when scrolling the main page making it unbearable
  • Subscribed/trending community list is a weird unaligned logo+text instead of a normal scrollable list

Kbin

  • How the fuck do you navigate to your subscribed "magazines"? The magazines tab just shows you list of everything and going under your subscriptions shows posts from every magazine I am subscribed to instead of letting me click on the specific magazine

"Fediverse"

  • Content propagation from other instances is slow(?) I want to subscribe to cs@kbin.social but beehaw still can't find it - maybe I don't understand it well enough and it's just a temporary issue
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[–] Lurra@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I'm staying since Apollo is shutting down. You can't pay me to use that reddit app. Been using Mlem, not bad. I like the whole simplicity of it, reminded me of the old reddit from years ago.

[–] Angry_Maple@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I had to guess, I would think that a disappointingly large amount of people will go back to normal reddit use, even if nothing changes. People hate changing their routine.

I had barely heard of Lemmy before any of this started, and many others have similar stories about that. The servers yesterday however, were super busy. That leads me to believe that there may be a lot of lurkers in addition to the new accounts.

In the long run, I feel like many of us will start using Lemmy a lot more often. This kind of reminds me of the death of a few other social media platforms. Over time, I think this community may continue to grow, and could become what reddit once was to digg. This time though, there's federation on the platform.

If Lemmy plays their hand right, they could easily top reddit overall within a few years, especially if reddit keeps treating their mods and communities poorly.

At this point, it's about principle. I would have been less angry at reddit if they just came out and said they were removing 3rd party apps. Instead, we got a sh*tshow with false accusations, lies, and ignorance. I say ignorance, because a lot of people have been complaining about the official apps accessibly options, yet reddit does nothing to help them. Moderators have been complaining about how the official app makes it very difficult to moderate, yet reddit still did nothing. Somehow though, they're awesome at plugging in as many ads as possible, and they are brilliant at eating excessive amounts of data.

Even if reddit comes back, I think I'm gone.

People hate changing their routine.

They'll have no choice if they use a third-party app.

[–] ARNiM@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I agree, I do hope Lemmy strives tbh. When there is more content, there is more traction. Let’s just keep these discussions going and spread the word around. I talk to my coworkers during lunch break about the Reddit blackout and told them about Lemmy (but I usually start the conversation with β€œdo you use Reddit”)

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[–] Audalin@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What will make me return to reading Reddit is all those old posts and comments on very specific topics. It doesn't mean I'll stop using Lemmy (especially if some communities I follow migrate here entirely), but there's no proper replacement for Reddit yet.

Also, I've found no app for Lemmy working on Android 7. For Reddit, I'm using Stealth: it's incredibly useful that you can create multiple pseudo-accounts with different subscription lists and saved posts without ever logging in or having an account. API changes are a sad development, but Stealth has an option to work by scraping old.reddit.com - unless they happen to delete it, of course.

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