Imagine a Google Pixel level phone made by Valve, running Steam OS (Linux) on ARM. That's my nerd wet dream.
I'd be happy with just installing full blown Linux on my pixel a la graphene.
Surely this Pixel 7 Pro has enough oomph to do some of my games.
I think memory is going to be the limiting factor. 12 gigs is very limiting on non-console systems
This is just nuts to me... My first laptop came with 512MB of RAM and only supported up to 2GB. They were still selling Macbook Pros with only 8GB of memory a year or two ago.
12GB SHOULD be enough to do everything, especially if it's running a linux OS. But I guess we can't have nice things because of memory hogs like Chrome.
your first laptop also had, like, a megapixel screen, while the Steam Deck over here (checks notes) (checks notes again)
Haha, I didn't even realize but the resolution is actually identical. My first laptop was a min-spec Macbook gen 1 (first Intel CPU model). It's the same 1280x800. The modern LCD (or OLED) on a Steam Deck looks way better obviously, and they're different DPI, but the performance hit is identical.
For a typical desktop Linux 12 GiB should be fine.
It depends on what you do with the system, of course. If you regularly compile big and template-heavy C++ codebases, work with Blender,... then 12 GiB won't be enough.
(What really surprised me was how much can still be done with just 4 GiB of memory. My laptop is currently limited to 4 GiB, and with some effort to set up a minimalist system it's working surprisingly well. I barely ever hit the memory limit - actually only when compiling big template-heavy C++ codebases 😉.)
Gaming, as they were wondering if their phone had the oomph to do it.
I'd imagine that once the mobile walled garden ecosystems are fully opened up, we should look for the debut of Android and iOS Steam clients. Let's see how that pans out in 2026...
That seems a bit too optimistic IMO. While it is possible to run PC games on a phone, a fully functional Steam client would still be quite a surprise.
a fully functional Steam client would still be quite a surprise.
What's running stand-alone games on Frame then if not a fully functional Steam client?
The difference there is it likely builds on the work they did for the Steam Deck and SteamOS. Writing a full Steam client for iOS or Android would be a huge amount of work independently from that.
Writing a full Steam client for iOS or Android would be a huge amount of work independently from that.
https://www.androidauthority.com/run-desktop-linux-apps-on-android-how-to-3586539/
It looks like they ran Linux apps inside a virtual machine on an Android phone. That has been possible for a long time now. That is certainly a route Valve could go down, but it won’t be a very good user experience.
Steamworks SDK supports Android now. Obviously, should there be an official full Steam client for Android, the preferred route is for game developers to release native Android games with Steam integration.
It is, but my assumption is that ARM-based linux and ARM-based android require a different codebase.
I'm not a dev though, maybe I'm wrong and it's easier than I thought.
The arm instruction set should be the same. Different processors might have different extensions. The main problem is the drivers. That's why you can't just flash any arm image on an arm phone, it has to have the drivers for the components that come with the phone
The main difference between arm Linux and arm android is how applications are packaged, (and android really wants you to build Java interfaces) partly because under the hood, android is Linux. It takes some development, but doesn't need to be a "new codebase". The harder problems are making the ux work with different from factors.
Actually, Linux is a good example of how this works, since you can build Linux for dozens of different CPU architectures (x86, x86_64, arm, risc-v, powerpc, and the list goes on)
There are places in the code where there are bespoke instructions to optimize for a given architecture, but overall, it's still one massive "codebase"
It is, but my assumption is that ARM-based linux and ARM-based android require a different codebase.
https://www.androidauthority.com/run-desktop-linux-apps-on-android-how-to-3586539/
That approach uses virtual machines. While that is possible (otherwise we wouldn't see it), it is probably not really optimized for gaming.
Wine / Proton / Box64 (already used for gaming on android) is using translation layers, not a full virtual machine.
There was also an option to just install a Debian chroot on Android, with no virtualization in-between.
The app was called Lil'Debi, but isn't maintained any more since 2018.
That approach uses virtual machines. While that is possible (otherwise we wouldn’t see it), it is probably not really optimized for gaming.
Whether or not it's optimized for gaming is up to Google. The technology to bring Frame's ARM Steam client onto Android exists.
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