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Looks so real !

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[-] Thorry@feddit.org 74 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Ah but have you tried burning a few trillion dollars in front of the painting? That might make a difference!

[-] scytale@piefed.zip 3 points 9 months ago

Can’t burn something that doesn’t exist. /s

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[-] HowAbt2day@futurology.today 35 points 9 months ago

I had a poster in ‘86 that I wanted to come alive.

[-] biotin7@sopuli.xyz 30 points 9 months ago

Thank you for calling it an LLM.

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[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

As long as we can't even define sapience in biological life, where it resides and how it works, it's pointless to try and apply those terms to AI. We don't know how natural intelligence works, so using what little we know about it to define something completely different is counterintuitive.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago

We don't know what causes gravity, or how it works, either. But you can measure it, define it, and even create a law with a very precise approximation of what would happen when gravity is involved.

I don't think LLMs will create intelligence, but I don't think we need to solve everything about human intelligence before having machine intelligence.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 7 points 9 months ago

Though in the case of consciousness - the fact of there being something it's like to be - not only don't we know what causes it or how it works, but we have no way of measuring it either. There's zero evidence for it in the entire universe outside of our own subjective experience of it.

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[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Pointless and maybe a little reckless.

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[-] thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Painting?

"LLMs are a blurry JPEG of the web" - unknown (I've heard it as an unattributed quote)

[-] ErmahgherdDavid@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

I think it originated in this piece by Ted Chiang a couple years ago.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

The example I gave my wife was "expecting General AI from the current LLM models, is like teaching a dog to roll over and expecting that, with a year of intense training, the dog will graduate from law school"

[-] LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

We don't know how consciousness arises, and digital neural networks seem like decent enough approximations of their biological counterparts to warrant caution. There are huge economic and ethical incentives to deny consciousness in non-humans. We do the same with animals to justify murdering them for our personal benefit.
We cannot know who or what possesses consciousness. We struggle to even define it.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

digital neural networks seem like decent enough approximations of their biological counterparts to warrant caution

No they don't. Digital networks don't act in any way like a electro-chemical meat wad programmed by DNA.

Might as well call a helicopter a hummingbird and insist they could both lay eggs.

We cannot know who or what possesses consciousness.

That's sophism. You're functionally asserting that we can't tell the difference between someone who is alive and someone who is dead

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

I dont think we can currently prove that anyone other than ourselves are even conscious. As far as I know I'm the only one. The people around me look and act and appear conscious, but I'll never know.

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[-] MercuryGenisus@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Remember when passing the Turing Test was like a big deal? And then it happened. And now we have things like this:

Stanford researchers reported that ChatGPT passes the test; they found that ChatGPT-4 "passes a rigorous Turing test, diverging from average human behavior chiefly to be more cooperative"

The best way to differentiate computers to people is we haven't taught AI to be an asshole all the time. Maybe it's a good thing they aren't like us.

[-] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

Alternative way to phrase it, we don't train humans to be ego-satiating brown nosers, we train them to be (often poor) judges of character. AI would be just as nice to David Duke as it is to you. Also, "they" is anthropomorphizing LLM AI much more than it deserves, it's not even a single identity, let alone a set of multiple identities. It is a bundle of hallucinations, loosely tied together by suggestions and patterns taken from stolen data

[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Sometimes. I feel like LLM technology and it's relationship with humans is a symptom of how poorly we treat each other.

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The best way to differentiate computers to people is we haven't taught AI to be an asshole all the time

Elon is trying really with Grok, tho.

[-] Tracaine@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

I don't expect it. I'm going to talk to the AI and nothing else until my psychosis hallucinates it.

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[-] nednobbins@lemmy.zip 9 points 9 months ago

I can define "LLM", "a painting", and "alive". Those definitions don't require assumptions or gut feelings. We could easily come up with a set of questions and an answer key that will tell you if a particular thing is an LLM or a painting and whether or not it's alive.

I'm not aware of any such definition of conscious, nor am I aware of any universal tests of consciousness. Without that definition, it's like Ebert claiming that, "Video games can never be art".

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Absolutely everything requires assumptions, even our most objective and "laws of the universe" type observations rely on sets of axioms or first principles that must simply be accepted as true-though-unprovable if we are going to get anyplace at all even in math and the hard sciences let alone philosophy or social sciences.

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[-] bampop@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

People used to talk about the idea of uploading your consciousness to a computer to achieve immortality. But nowadays I don't think anyone would trust it. You could tell me my consciousness was uploaded and show me a version of me that was indistinguishable from myself in every way, but I still wouldn't believe it experiences or feels anything as I do, even though it claims to do so. Especially if it's based on an LLM, since they are superficial imitations by design.

[-] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 4 points 9 months ago

Also even if it does experience and feel and has awareness and all that jazz, why do I want that? The I that is me is still going to face The Reaper, which is the only real reason to want immortality.

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[-] qyron@sopuli.xyz 7 points 9 months ago

It's achieveable if enough alcohol is added to the subject looking at the said painting. And with some exotic chemistry they may even start to taste or hear the colors.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Or boredom and starvation

[-] Lembot_0005@lemy.lol 7 points 9 months ago

Good showering!

[-] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 months ago

The Eliza effect

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 6 points 9 months ago

I heard someone describe LLMs as "a magic 8-ball with an algorithm to nudge it in the right direction." I dunno how accurate that is, but it definitely feels like that sometimes.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

I like that, but I'd put it the other way around I think, it's closer to an algorithm that, at each juncture, uses a magic 8 ball to determine which of the top-n most likely paths it should follow at that moment.

[-] j4k3@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

The first life did not possess a sentient consciousness. Yet here you are reading this now. No one even tried to direct that. Quite the opposite, everything has been trying to kill you from the very start.

[-] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago

Nah trust me we just need a better, more realistic looking ink. $500 billion to ink development oughta do it.

[-] Perspectivist@feddit.uk 4 points 9 months ago

Fair and flawless comparison. I've got nothing to add.

[-] stochastic_parrot@sh.itjust.works 3 points 9 months ago

It reminds me of the reaction of the public to 1896 documentary The Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat Station. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27Arriv%C3%A9e_d%27un_train_en_gare_de_La_Ciotat

[-] altphoto@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They have invented a thing that needs someone to want something for it to do it. We have yet to see an artificial EGO. An AEGO.

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