Context: PugJesus often spams low quality posts across the dozen or so communities they mod, apparently downvoting low effort spam on my frontpage is trolling. The only other action in the modlog is a different ban for 74 years for "Mass downvoting innocuous content," so it definitely seems they are just banning people that dislike their spam. Glad we're not missing out on the reddit mod experience here.
PTB/CLM.
I think that "Mass downvoting" is a valid reason for a community ban, but I would expect a temp ban if it is not a repeating behavior.
But it isn't trolling by itself. That bad qualified ban could have a bad impact in others mods or admins evaluating the OP behavior.
May be in the future, communities should choose who can vote (subscribed, instance members or any user) and then only been show in the corresponding feeds. But I suspect that most of the mods that ban downvoters don't want that they community posts don't be shown in the All feed.
YDI, it looks to me.
If you don't want an abortion, then don't get one - but why stand in the way of someone else who wants one? Or in this case, why not let those people in that community have their fun, without you continually raining on their parade?
Your "contributions" to mass downvote every post in that community (as you seem to freely admit doing?) were apparently unwelcomed, so the mod went to all that effort to detect you and act to defend the people that you abused. The Threadiverse needs MOAR content, not less, and they acted to make their environment welcoming to posters, at the expense of trolls who wish that they would simply cease to exist... yet don't bother to block the community themselves. If not troll, then why behave like troll? Well, now you know.
Also, you lied. You were corrected that "my frontpage" (emphasis my own) is NOT the same thing as the "All" feed. Yet that wording remains in your post for new people to continue to be swayed to your side of the issue, until they realize your misinformation. Well, now you know. (Edit: you also seemed to attempt a deliberate spread of misinformation by stating how you did not post or comment, while ignoring your mass contributions across many existing posts by other people.) (Such an act might get you banned from THIS community too, btw, especially if there are multiple infractions. Well, now you know.)
Rules exist for everybody, not only ever in your favor. Learn these and you will enjoy your experience much moar better-er-est. You truly do have the power to make yourself happier, rather than merely complain about not getting your way. Well, now you know 🥴.
Saying my frontpage has absolutely nothing to do with subscriptions… you can literally customize lemmy to show you All, Local, or Subscribed, or if you’re using an app you can customize it even more. It has nothing to do with being subscribed, that’s your ignorance making you believe something that wasn’t true.
Also this has to be the trolliest comment in this thread. Downvoting spam and bad content is something that you absolutely should do.
There's a key difference. A subscribed member of the community has the right to downvote poor quality content, whereas drive-by downvoting via All is something else altogether.
I have not seen the content that OP downvoted, so I have no idea how poor-quality it might be. But why would that even matter? The mod defended the community from someone who, by OP's own admission, is neither a subscribed member nor someone who has ever contributed beyond, and again this is OP's very own wording in this post, "mass downvoting".
"mass downvoting" is a form of vote manipulation.
Let's even take for granted that OP did it entirely in good faith, thinking they were helping the Threadiverse. Okay then, but in that case why bother being salty about being banned, from a community they claimed to have no interest in contributing to?
It seems to me a case of play games, win prizes. Yeah OP can mass downvote, and yeah the mod can ban them as a result. And now we've all had this conversation about it.
Maximum friendliness would have been for OP to simply block the community, or perhaps the poster to it, and then not have to worry about seeing that low-quality content anymore. Instead, they seem to want the right to continue to downvote it despite not ever wanting to post or comment. But I am siding with the mod in this case that I might well ban someone for the same reason, if the only "contributions" they ever made were drive-by downvotes like that.
So now OP is banned, so they don't have to worry anymore about it, problem solved. In the future though, I did recommend blocking rather than mass-downvoting all posts in a community that they are NOT a member of.
A subscribed member of the community has the right to downvote poor quality content, whereas drive-by downvoting via All is something else altogether.
Anyone has the right to downvote. Subscribing just means you want to see it in your subscribed feed, not that you somehow get more “rights” to vote. What a ridiculous notion.
"mass downvoting" is a form of vote manipulation.
No it is not. Get off your high horse. If I downvote every post from a specific user because it clearly doesn’t belong in a community, that is not vote manipulation. Yes it would be better if the content would get removed, but waiting for that to occur and in the meantime allowing upvotes to continue when people might not even realize the post is in the wrong community just warps what communities are for.
This was readily apparent for years on Reddit (probably still is). People that don’t pay attention to what sub something is on, and then they just upvote it because they like it. It makes it to the top of the subreddit, more people see it, think that’s what the community is actually about, and then join it thus warping the actual intention of the community.
Maximum friendliness would have been for OP to simply block the community, or perhaps the poster to it, and then not have to worry about seeing that low-quality content anymore. Instead, they seem to want the right to continue to downvote it despite not ever wanting to post or comment. But I am siding with the mod in this case that I might well ban someone for the same reason, if the only "contributions" they ever made were drive-by downvotes like that.
I’ve made it clear why this is a terrible system.
Meanwhile PugJesus is banned from db0 due to stalking and mass downvoting my account, and said the admins were abusing authority for banning him while he confessed doing it with joy.
What a joke of a person he is. At least he's started to into his own echo chamber instead of trying to convert spaces into his own. I remember when he would mass report people disagreeing with him, while giving citations that said he was wrong. The mods told him to stop reporting people who weren't breaking any rules, and he told them to do it anyways.
Needless to say, PTB.
Edit to add: He posts almost exclusively to the communities he mods.
I just told them to go away and no speak to me. They have so far and they haven't banned me from anything yet.
He doesn’t ban people who share his politics https://lemmy.world/modlog?userId=640406
Care to elaborate on what I can only assume is some passive aggressive insult?
You share the same political beliefs as PJ and he actively seeks an echo chamber. Why would he ban someone likely to agree with him or upvote his content? Even if you don't directly engage with him you might comment favorably on someone else's posts even and he can get his fix. Almost all of his energy is driven to political content is why this matters.
That's not an insult to you, at least not from me.
https://lemvotes.org/user/abbotsbury@lemmy.world
IDK why you find the history memes stuff to be "low quality spam," it is one among the unique things about Lemmy that actually make me like it. It is the number one community on piefed.social for example. But definitely the accusation of mass downvoting seems to be pretty accurate. Do you do anything other than mass downvote popular content that you personally don't like?
(I actually agree that in general people shouldn't ban for this type of downvoting in most cases, that part I agree with you on. But this kind of absolute freakout and energy investment on your part about the history memes and artifact posts and etc, I think has a lot more to do with what's going on with you, than it does anything about the content itself. Why are you so mad about it?)
Going down my front page and down voting half of the posts because I think they're low-effort trash is not "mass downvoting." It's very literally engaging with the system exactly as it was designed and intended.
On your frontpage, sure.
On "All", not so much. Other people need to be free to enjoy things even if you personally do not like them.
Banning people from communities who abuse the features of Lemmy is also a core feature of the platform, as intended, to help avoid the excesses that could otherwise happen.
The literal job of a mod is to curb excesses in favor of protecting the community, to keep it alive and welcoming to post content to.
One of the (MANY) reasons that I left Reddit was due to it not stopping the bot large-scale downvoting sprees that happened in smaller communities as they would get brigaded by larger communities. When you scroll down and see that EVERY single comment to a post, or every single post in a community, has 1-2 downvotes (and then a hard cutoff like when presumably it last ran), it was pretty clear to see what was going on. It made it feel less than friendly to post when brigaders just wanted to emotionally vomit upon everyone.:-(
Everyone here has the freedom to interact with a post... until a mod/admin curbs that freedom, for the sake of the larger community.
That happens in small unpopular communities here. I don't imagine you could run a pro Tesla community, for example
The meat eating community I'm part of attracts more down votes than it has members on almost everything
Ed. I just checked my community and it looks like either the bans are working, or lemmings have learnt to block communities they don't like
But if someone did try to run a Pro-Tesla community (whether limiting it to pre-2025 purchases or not), then I could well understand them banning every single user who did absolutely nothing whatsoever other than downvote. Brigading is against the TOS of many Lemmy instances iirc. As well as many communities too - e.g. it's #4 in this one.
Don’t harass mods or brigade comms. Don’t word your posts in a way that would trigger such harassment and brigades.
And you could debate the morality of a Pro-Tesla community, but apparently this OP is talking about merely historical memes, at which point abusing the posters to that community (or possibly only PugJesus himself, that point was never clarified since zero actual evidence was presented beyond the admission that OP did in fact take part in personally brigading against many posts in that community).
Real "rebel without a cause" vibes here - someone downvoting purely to be a dick about it, so much so that they don't even realize that that is what they are doing, and all the more so continuing to double down despite most everyone telling them that fact.
(I personally would simply block any Pro-Tesla community and move on with my life)
Unpopular stuff gets voted to oblivion just with random drive-bys. It looks like brigading but doesn't need to be organised
OP admitted it was organized, as in targeted - that's the entire point of this post.
Random is fine, but when it becomes organized... well, that's when mods intervene to put a stop to it (or at least if they do, nobody questions that - except OP, apparently).
You know what is also using the system exactly as designed? Blocking the user or comm posting the content you don't like.
I don't like League of Legends. I'm not going to waste my time downvoting every post about it in the All feed. I'm going to block the LoL comm(s), and anyone who is only posting LoL news to the general gaming comms.
When it gets to the point where you're downvoting anywhere close to half of a community or user's posts, it's past time to just block them. You aren't personally responsible for curating the entire fucking fediverse, you're responsible for your own feed.
Ugh, Pugjesus, no surprises here
What's your experience with them?
They post a lot of content in some historical artifact community, and they seem very cordial and nice there. Might even be Swedish, but not sure about that.
You're not surprised about what exactly, out of curiosity?
To me? Nothing. However I have seen many people post getting bans from them for super petty reasons, like downvoting a post.I have also seen this person be a point of contention a few times in some more shitposty places. So I just tend to avoid commenting on anything they post.
Never would've guessed they had an ego this fragile. Disappointing.
I like the historical artifacts posts AND I've seen PG be a dick. I try to encourage the good in him through positive reinforcement.
Unfortunately, my experience with social media has been that a lot of the most visible posters often are touchy, and can be a little domineering where they can. I look at his history posts, like the art ones, etc. However, unless I specifically have something to say that fully within the confines of the subject, and not negative, I will not post. In other spaces I block them. This isn't necessarily PJ I am talking about either, this is a broader thing with these platforms. It is what it is I guess.
Sounds like an unfortunate phenomenon. People who post a lot on social media, especially online communities, might have limited social lives compared to people who don't post a lot. And thus they might... define themselves a little bit, by the success of their posts? Perhaps? That's what I'm thinking. And so they become very defensive and protective of their online presence and it's a fragile thing for them if it's a large part of who they are.
Just block PJ. They're a turbolib troll. You'll feel better not seeing the junk they crank out.
This is a community in the spirit of "Am I The Asshole" where people can post their own bans from lemmy or reddit or whatever and get some feedback from others whether the ban was justified or not.
Sometimes one just wants to be able to challenge the arguments some mod made and this could be the place for that.
All posts should follow this basic structure:
Expect to receive feedback about your posts, they might even be negative.
Make sure you follow this instance's code of conduct. In other words we won't allow bellyaching about being sanctioned for hate speech or bigotry.
YPTB matrix channel: For real-time discussions about bastards or to appeal mod actions in YPTB itself.
Some acronyms you might see.
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