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super revealing of the misogyny inherent to the space that "AI assistants" stopped being given feminine-coded names the moment tech chuds thought they were developing higher levels of autonomy

"i TELL Alexa what to do. i COLLABROATE with Chudbot. i will not reflect on this hierarchy at all."

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[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 8 months ago

Top level comments on the internet engage in a discussion of misogyny and patriarchy constructively and in good faith challenge:

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 26 points 8 months ago

My wife makes more money than me and I make the sandwiches. Suck it stereotypes

[-] baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 8 months ago

sandwiches can also be a paid skill, earning a lot of money in a sandwich truck in a major metropolis, but usually domestic skills like these are ignored and unpaid. what a shame.

[-] very_well_lost@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

If you're not profit-maxing your sandwich making skills are you even living??

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[-] jdr@lemmy.ml 44 points 8 months ago
[-] lemon@sh.itjust.works 17 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It’s ‘collabroate’ when the oblique complement of the verb is masculine. It’s ‘collabriate’ when the complement is feminine.

This may be the first attestation of object gender agreement in English

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 41 points 8 months ago

Is it blatant? This feels like they're picking evidence to support the conclusion they already came to

Who has expressed the opinion in that quote they made up?

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 42 points 8 months ago

Siri, Bixby, Majel (Google Assistant), Cortana, Alexa… they are all female names and all had female voices at the beginning. I would say it’s blatant and it has been an ongoing topic of discussion as well.

[-] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 34 points 8 months ago

Bixby is definitely more masculine than feminine. Samsung actually renamed it to Sam (and gave it a feminine avatar) when they made it smarter. Google Assistant was only called Majel internally and very briefly, as a reference to the voice of the Star Trek computer. Externally, it was always Google Assistant until it was replaced with Gemini. Alexa is still Alexa. Siri is still Siri. Cortana was replaced by Copilot. By my count, that's one masc -> fem, one fem -> neutral, one neutral -> neutral, and two unchanged.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 30 points 8 months ago

I’m torn on this because there definitely is a worrying increase in bigotry and tech bro culture, but at the same time OP’s “it’s so blatant once you notice it” could just as easily be “it’s so blatant once you’ve adopted confirmation bias enough to handwave away the exceptions”.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

The evidence is obviously if you decide on the conclusion before looking for it

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[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 17 points 8 months ago

It's interesting you cite that article, because it was written in 2018 and presented feminist arguments that we should stop making AI assistants female-coded. Now that the industry has done that exact thing, it's being criticized for it? It looks a lot of a case of damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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[-] papertowels@mander.xyz 8 points 8 months ago

Tbf, Cortana stems from a fictional AI that has far higher levels of autonomy. I don't think it was chosen with "let's find a good name for a limited AI interface" in mind.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

That has nothing to do with what the post is saying, though. The claim is that techbros stopped using female names because they thought their AI could become sentient. And they're using the "Voice assistants had female names" thing as "evidence"

Also, how many women named Bixby do you know of?

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[-] pixxelkick@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Literally only one AI assistant Im aware of was given a feminine persona out the gate and thats Alexa which is Amazon's.

Every single other one has been purposefully kept gender neutral.

They intentionally gave Siri a gender neutral name ages ago cuz you can pick what its voice sounds like

Same for gemini, copilot, gpt....

Only 1 out of many agents had a female name, and it wasnt "tech bros" that named it.

And only one tool has been given a male name, Claude

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 55 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Siri is a girls name, though. In like ten different languages. It was the 12th most popular girls name in 2009, 2 years before Apple launched Siri in 2011. I understand that it was named for SRI, but it was still a feminine name.

[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 39 points 8 months ago

The default voice is also fem

[-] ch00f@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

As someone who used dude-Siri when I still carried Apple hardware, people always asked why I changed it.

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[-] s@piefed.world 15 points 8 months ago

In my experience, GPS voices also tend to be feminine by default.

[-] meejle@piefed.world 17 points 8 months ago

I think it's less true now than it once was, but I remembering hearing somewhere that pre-recorded messages on trains/subways/in stations tend to use feminine voices for information, and masculine voices for instructions.

There are definitely still times on the London Underground where you'll hear announcements that switch in the middle, and that does usually seem to be the pattern.

(I realise this doesn't really apply to GPSes, but your comment is what reminded me, so. 😅)

[-] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 8 months ago

Defs true for NSW, Australia railways

Man says "smoking is not permitted", woman says "the next station is foo"

I first noticed as a child and it is one of the first times I remember thinking that society wants women to be servile.

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[-] Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone 8 points 8 months ago

but I remembering hearing somewhere that pre-recorded messages on trains/subways/in stations tend to use feminine voices for information, and masculine voices for instructions.

Dunno if this is still the case, but this was definitely true of the subway system in NYC when I lived there.

Female voice: the next stop is [x] street

Male voice: stand clear of the closing doors!

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

Also, Gemini is decidedly masculine, as it refers to the male twins Castor and Pollux, the plural of the latin geminus.

[-] kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 8 months ago

Etymology is not the same as meaning.

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[-] glimse@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago

And Alexa was named after the library of Alexandria

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[-] endless_nameless@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Here are my rules for avoiding companies/services based on name:

  • No first names
  • No "-ly", "-ify", or similar
  • No baby talk
  • No glossary terms

Follow these rules and you'll avoid 90% of slop. Not specifically AI slop, human slop too.

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[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 9 points 8 months ago

This is an extremely American English-centric take. The gendering of robot assistants varies widely across different cultures. It’s a heavily studied topic with lots written down for you to learn from. But you’re not intellectually curious, you’re just ignorant and want to make up pseudo-scientific crap to fit your preconceived biases.

[-] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 6 points 8 months ago

Shitty way to say it, but you’re right. I used to work on mobile industrial robots, the sorts of machines that deliver parts in factories, clean rooms, semiconductor fabs, etc. These are industrial machines and have about as much gender as an office printer. We sold them in countries all over the world. At some point we added an off the shelf text to speech library so that to robots could communicate with non-technical people and say things like, “Excuse me” or “I’m lost”. It supported a bunch of languages and could use a male or female voice.

People in different countries had shockingly strong opinions about what gender the voice should have. The US, Canada, France and UK customers wanted them to be female. Germany and the Spanish speaking countries wanted male. Korea and China wanted male IIRC, but Japan insisted on female.

I’m sure this says something about the culture in all of those places, but I have no idea what.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago

American take: computer voices should be female because the higher pitch is easier to understand in an environment with any significant background noise.

[-] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 8 months ago

Middle-aged guy take: Computer voices should be medium pitched because we’ve lost too much of our high pitched hearing due to concerts and working in noisy environments.

Grumpy middle-aged guy take: Computers shouldn’t talk to me. If I want get information from one, I’ll use a terminal like Turing intended.

[-] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 8 months ago
  1. I mean I've seen Japanese porn too but women who aren't pretending to have pixelated orgasms don't speak that high pitched.

  2. Did Alan Turing live to see a terminal, or did the limeys Conservative him to death before the first interactive UI?

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[-] CameronDev@programming.dev 8 points 8 months ago

Purely an anecdote, but one of my colleagues refers to the robot as "Claudette". I insist on not giving it a gender or anthropomorhising it, it's an it, and I'll keep misgendering/deadnaming the robot forever.

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 13 points 8 months ago

I work with a lady who calls ChatGPT Chattiana and says she's her best friend. Decent wordplay, terrible way to live

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 5 points 8 months ago

Um akshualy it's spelled "Chodebot."

[-] paultimate14@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

The correct pronoun to use was always "it".

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