I mean, it's kinda expected that more women in power means more justice to women.
Thank you for this comment, it clarified some things for me. I read "dismiss" as "ignore", not "dismiss" as in "terminate employment".
Oh my goodness I still didn’t get it until I read your comment *facepalm*
I feel like they could have worded it better, I was trying to figure that out as well.
Agreed, but I realize that is a US-centric issue. “Dismiss” to the UK is equivalent to “terminate” in the US, and with The Guardian being a British newspaper, it makes sense they’d use that term.
Fair enough!
I managed to get it before I came to this comment, but it took all my processing power.
Same.
ahahaha I found it confusing too, I had to read the article a little bit to understand it better.
Yeah, I did after I saw your comment. Clarified it the rest of the way
Research is still important to be sure.
There have also been some studies on women led organizations concluding that they would take more aggressive and ruthless decisions, the reasons for these are contested, but some suggest that due to women being seen as less performant in leadership positions, they tend to placed in those positions when times are rough or the pressure to focus on short term gains is the highest.
Sending male abusers away is the right thing to do. I'm glad women in positions of power are doing that.
I would like to inform that in the Finnish article mentioned (which can be accessed via Google Scholar) the authors use the word "Fire" and not "Dismiss", so it's even clearer.
I was really confused until the end where it said dismiss meant firing.
Somewhere, there's someone out there that thinks "firing" means "this person was literally thrown into a bonfire."
The title/article is confusing. What does “dismiss” mean - ignored or fired? Seems like ignored.
The second paragraph makes it more clear when they say "sacked" but they could just use plain language.
They did use plain language ... British English.
I would argue that British English is one of the least plain languages out there, and just about the only thing brits don't prefer plain.
You should explore more languages. English is really quite direct when compared to many other languages; the English could have had a lot more fun with the language but they decided to be boring.
The second paragraph is about male and male abuse - they get sacked. Male and female abuse - they don’t get sacked as much.
But the second is talking about abuses against males. If anything, using two words "dismissed, and sacked" one in each paragraph, makes it even more confusing. Felt like it was saying women in senior positions protected women less (dismissed abusers) while protecting men more (sacking abusers). Just say sacked both times.
Its an especially interesting choice of words in this context considering issues like this have been dismissed (as in ignored) for decades.
Yeah i had to do a double-take because the way I originally interpreted seemed so backwards.
"Dismiss" is the wrong word to use in that title. Yes, it can mean "fire", but it can also mean "ignore". It seems like this is a case where you want to be clear which interpretation you mean.
I'm guessing "dismiss" never means "ignore" in British English. Maybe a British can confirm.
It does mean ignore in BE. To deem unimportant/not worth bothering with.
In my opinion the headline is unclear, possibly deliberately in order to engage clicks.
So a strange anecdote related to this story -- I've worked for a small company before where there was a husband/wife employee couple, which had DV issues. The female-dominant senior managers, very quietly, would send the man on leave while looking for excuses to fire him each time there was an event. The wife refused to press charges, because she was seemingly the one starting the physical fights, she just lost cause she was weaker -- the guy wasn't a big dude though, so it's not like he could easily just 'restrain' her, hence some visible physical injuries. So the company couldn't use something like a criminal record to justify dismissal. But they still tried to find ways to fire the man, without really caring about who was instigating / innocent until proven guilty, or anything. It's just "Man hits a woman for any reason? Women band together to cast out the man".
These two people stayed together for decades like this, with mgmt periodically going through those motions apparently. Think they're still together. Had like 3 or 4 kids.
Feels like this should have been expressed the other way, "firms without women in leadership roles cover up more abuse."
Excellent point
I’m not sure why there is a distinction. Toxic behavior is toxic. Fire anyone who acts inappropriately. End of story.
The study is showing that what you are advocating is more likely to happen at a company with more women in leadership positions.
A person of either gender could be helpful or abusive and support abusers.
And yet!
Whataboutism at its finest.
Was what I said true or false?
Okay great, but do those firms with more women in leadership outpace the profitability of those that let men get away with abuse in the workplace? Because the only thing that really matters is finding out if abusive workplaces make more money so I can do that.
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