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[–] reagansrottencorpse@lemmy.ml 38 points 3 months ago (2 children)

French President Emmanuel Macron is calling on medium-sized powers to join forces and stand up to the US and China.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 29 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Europe being hostile towards China isn't exactly news though. It's the break up of the Atlantic alliance that's the real story.

[–] MrSmoothPP@lemmy.zip 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (25 children)

Is Europe's hostility towards China not a function of US hegemony? Surely there's less reason to be hostile now.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (24 children)

In a sane world yes, but in reality there's a lot of racism and notions of white supremacy at play here.

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[–] drastic133@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago (5 children)

It is an important distinction though, because standing up to US might imply leaning towards China. But standing up to US and China, implies a third option: Europe need to huddle up together.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Not really sure how that works in practice given that Europe isn't exactly self sufficient, especially in terms of energy.

[–] drastic133@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

I was only commenting on the semantic distinction of the two, not the viability of Europe superiority - though beating Murica these days can't be impossible.

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[–] TiredTiger@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

He should ask the last group of countries that strove to be neutral between the USA and a second large power how well that worked for them.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Middle powers need friends. US offers only colonial vassal status withe CIA determined rulers. China does not. Just buy stuff because it is best value/cheap. In the prehistory that was 2021, Russia did not vassalize its customers. Just buy their stuff because it was cheapest. Russia is not an imperial power over Europe because of counterbalance. Russia did not threaten/berate EU over green transition. Trump/Biden threatened EU over Nordstream 2. When your master extorts you with energy prices and forced war, you need new friends. The more friends, the more counterbalance for others to be friendlier to you.

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

“Our objective is not to be the vassals of two hegemonic powers,” he told students in Seoul. “We don’t want to depend on the dominance, let’s say on China, or we don’t want to be too much exposed to the unpredictability of the US.”

European countries, he said, have a shared agenda with places like Japan and South Korea on issues like international law, democracy, climate change and global health.

[–] plyth@feddit.org 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

we don’t want to be too much exposed to the unpredictability of the US.”

The war with Iran was announced in 2001. The unpredictability of the US is that it took them so long.

[–] drastic133@lemmy.ml 13 points 3 months ago

US being at war is fairly predictable, tbh.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"and China." How is France's manufacturing infrastructure?

[–] Bigfishbest@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Don't underestimate L'oreal industries...

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

Finally someone says it.

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 months ago

Macron - a true american hero for saying out loud what most people think.

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