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cross-posted from: https://news.abolish.capital/post/43161

Tyler Robinson

Another gaping hole has opened up in the supposedly ‘open and shut’ case against Tyler Robinson, the alleged killer of murdered US far-right activist Charlie Kirk.

Tyler Robinson

Kirk, who had begun to turn against Israel and refused approaches from Israel lobbyists just before his death, was murdered as he answered public questions in Utah. Footage from the FBI claims to show Tyler Robinson escaping shows an unrecognisable figure on a rooftop – with no gun. Robinson was then supposedly arrested in the woods with the gun. Court filings at the end of March 2026 then stated that the bullet does not even match the gun Robinson supposedly used.

The issues with the gun and with video and other evidence have led to huge speculation that Robinson is just an Oswald-type patsy. But the FBI claimed to have found a note under Robinson’s keyboard in the flat he shared with his lover, written in very atypical language for someone of Robinson’s age. And Robinson, under the handle “zealous_monkey_55095”, allegedly sent messages to friends on a ‘Discord’ chat server, confessing to Kirk’s murder. He had “bad news”, he wrote. Then he continued:

it was me at UVU yesterday. Im sorry for all of this. im surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. thanks for all the good times and laughs, you’ve all been so amazing. thank you all for everything.

But the FBI’s timeline has fallen apart.

The timeline

In the public official narrative, Tyler Robinson turned himself in – after his father called a police officer friend – just before 9pm local time on 11 September 2025, a day after Kirk died. At the same time, 8.57pm, as he then supposedly sat for 2-2.5 hours in a custody suite waiting to be seen he wrote the Discord confession messages.

But documents released as part of attempts by Robinson’s lawyers to have cameras excluded from Robinson’s trial, completely overturn that narrative. One particular document, tagged as “Discovery Bates 000007”, shows that Robinson was already in custody and being reminded of his ‘Miranda’ rights at 6.25pm – more than two and a half hours earlier than the FBI has claimed:

In other words, Tyler Robinson’s phone would already have been taken away from him. So who sent the Discord messages?

As the Prospect notes, law enforcement officials have tried to claim that the interrogation was actually happening a day later, at 6.25pm on 12 September and that this explains away the time discrepancy. But this doesn’t fit with the evidence of the note itself. Robinson told officers that the lawyer he wanted to speak to was “closed for the night”. Friday 12 September 2025 was a Friday night, which would mean the office would have been closed for the weekend, but on 11 September would have been closed just until the morning.

What is going on?

The Washington County sheriff’s department repeatedly blocked public records requests filed by Salt Lake media for surveillance camera footage of Tyler Robinson entering and/or being held inside county police headquarters, which would have shown exactly when he was taken into custody. At first it claimed that Robinson had arrived at the building via a different entrance than the one mentioned in the request, then said the footage had been destroyed.

A former Utah prosecutor told the Prospect the timeline discrepancies are “a big problem for the prosecution”, particularly when combined with the missing footage and the recent resignation of the county sheriff over:

allegations that he had interfered in the investigation of another deputy who was charged in November on four counts of “unlawfully accessing, using, disclosing or disseminating criminal investigation records [in a different case].”

A bigger problem still if the bullet ballistics don’t match. Indeed, a huge problem.

Featured image via the Canary

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[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 114 points 5 months ago

They're so sloppy because they know they'll get away with it.

Odds are this guy will end up "committing suicide", before the trial.

No, it is because they know he is trans.

Wait, his girlfriend is trans.

Shit, his roommate is trans.

Fuck. Is there a trans person nearby?

[-] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 95 points 5 months ago

Oh no, the person who killed charlie kirk is out at large right now.

There are so many people that are in danger, Ben Shapiro, Trump, Joe Rogan...

They should act fast before someone else gets hurt while they are spewing technicalities and inciting hatred.

[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

clarkson_anyway.jpeg

[-] nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago

Danger? At least one of them I suspect is the brain behind the attack

[-] Breezy@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Joe rogan has a functioning brain?

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago

Hey ERIKA kirk did forgive him, she doesnt want to upset the right wingers, it ruins thier image that its not a leftist shooting kirk, its right on right violence.

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[-] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 months ago

You actually don’t have to worry as his neck just did that by itself.

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[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 60 points 5 months ago

I'm disappointed to see this compared to the Kennedy assassination.

Kirk was just some fascist jerk. He wasn't important, except for his assassination.

Kennedy was actually important outside of his assassination.

[-] Railcar8095@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

His life was unremarkable, but he did go out with a bang.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It is comparable in the comparisons of the actual mechanics of the the shooting, and the subsequent government actions.

They're both assasination stories with dubious 'official stories' that have tons of problems and holes with them, as well as significant evidence of the government doing a coverup.

And also, while you might not like to hear this, and trust me I don't like saying it:

Charlie Kirk was really important to a lot of people.

He's basically a canonized Saint/Martyr of the MAGA religion... millions of people really did, and still do, hold him in high regard.

We can think he was a shitty person who said and did shitty things... that doesn't negate that a lot of similarly shitty people thought/think very highly of him.

They're making monuments of him, naming streets after him.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 5 months ago

He's basically a canonized Saint/Martyr of the MAGA religion... millions of people really did, and still do, hold him in high regard.

No, he's not, and they are already forgetting him. This last Turning Point conference was almost empty.

MAGAs don't do martyrs. They're all sociopaths, so they only care about themselves. Charlie Kirk was useful when he was alive, and for a short period after his death. That's all faded now, and nobody is motivated to keep his torch lit, because they've moved on.

His wife is about the only one left who cares at all, and that's only because she's trying to squeeze as much money out of his legacy as she can, but it was apparent from her first post- assassination appearance, that she was already past him.

Now that Turning Point is slipping in revenue, she'll be making an announcement soon of a new podcast, or FoxNews show, or some other lame excuse to trade on her MAGA celebrity.

Charlie who?

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[-] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 5 points 5 months ago

He had a fairly large following and a lot of people think he may have entered politics eventually.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 5 months ago

So many idiots have been doing this: Ballistics not being able to confirm the bullet was fired from that specific rifle in no way proves that it wasn't fired from that specific rifle.

Matching busted up bullets using scratch marks is like 90% TV crime show bs. They didn't say the bullet wasn't fired from the rifle. They just said they couldn't prove it was fired from that rifle. Massive difference.

[-] quick_snail@feddit.nl 12 points 5 months ago

Basically all forensics is TV BS

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[-] 13igTyme@piefed.social 35 points 5 months ago

This article starts out in the best possible way.

Another gaping hole has opened up

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"the footage has been destroyed"

It's so weird how cameras just spontaneously stop working at key, vital moments, and then if they do work, the footage explodes

what are the odds?

¯\(ツ)

[-] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Similar to voting machines in the swing states that received a "minor update."

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 27 points 5 months ago

When did kangaroo courts get so bad at this? This is micky mouse type shit.

[-] MJKee9@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

You can't underestimate the MAGATs.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile, Kash Patel is perenially drunk and generally missing in action, having psychotic episodes.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2026/04/kash-patel-fbi-director-drinking-absences/686839/

You know, the head of the FBI, who was in charge of investigating this case, at least according to himself.

[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 5 months ago

too much cocaine no doubt.

[-] Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Hear me out. Not enough cocaine.

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[-] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

if the assassination was meant as political activism, then picking this guy as the fall guy makes absolutely no sense.

not being able to confirm a match between a bullet and the gun, especially with no shell casings present, is completely normal.

his phone would not have been taken away from him if he had voluntarily showed up to speak to the police. he would not have been under arrest yet. they would have spent hours being very nice to him in a little room while getting as much information out of him as possible.

this conspiracy theory is brain dead stupid. stop this shit.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago

I'm with you about the bullet casings. However, you don't need a conspiracy in order for the weird timeline discrepancies to exist. All it takes is one or more cops or prosecutors making up information. Once they've done that then there's a massive credibility issue.

We'll see what happens in the future, but obviously the defense is going to be trying to find out if there is a clear timeline. When did he turn himself in? Where was that? Was he being questioned before he was arrested? When was he arrested? Did they question him after he asked for a lawyer? All of those are basic timeline questions, and clearly there is some conflicting information.

Now, it's possible that the information is in conflict because people who were not directly involved guessed at what happened and got it wrong. I think right now it's too early to tell. If that's the case, if it's simply a situation of bad speculation, then he's still just as screwed as he was before. But the reality is that there are a lot of dirty or dishonest prosecutors and cops. If they are involved in this case, then who can say what kind of evidence will be excluded, and who can say what a jury would find convincing.

[-] PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

his phone would not have been taken away from him if he had voluntarily showed up to speak to the police. he would not have been under arrest yet.

If they're reading you Miranda Rights, you're being detained in police custody and not allowed to leave. While not necessarily being charged, he isn't leaving that room if he just wants to go home.

He was under at least a custodial interrogation. 100% his phone was removed.

If I just had information knowing a friend killed someone and I went to police to talk to them and interview with them, they're not reading me my rights.

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[-] caboose2006@lemmy.world 19 points 5 months ago

If Candice Owens is right again so help me god I'm moving to Saint Helena.

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[-] OldGrayDog@fedinsfw.app 18 points 5 months ago

Kirk was killed to distract from the Epstein files, everything leads back to the Epstein files, it's all connected.

[-] Aatube@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 months ago

The Canary is usually not considered a reliable source.

law enforcement officials have tried to claim that the interrogation was actually happening a day later, at 6.25pm on 12 September and that this explains away the time discrepancy. But this doesn’t fit with the evidence of the note itself. Robinson told officers that the lawyer he wanted to speak to was “closed for the night”. 12 September 2025 was a Friday night, which would mean the office would have been closed for the weekend, but on 11 September would have been closed just until the morning.

They're usually logical, though. Could someone explain where the discrepancy is supposed to be as shown in the last sentence? The officials claim he was interrogated on the 12th, and in the interrogation he said the lawyer was closed for the night, so that is consistent (and it wouldn't have been consistent if the interrogation happened on the 11th as initially believed).

A bigger problem still if the bullet ballistics don’t match.

Forensic ballistics analysis have been extensively criticized for uncertain accuracy for just 5 less years than the polygraph, IIRC.

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[-] bitjunkie@lemmy.world 14 points 5 months ago

First time I've seen a picture of him, and I can't help but think maybe it wasn't politically motivated at all and he was just trying to absorb all the head-too-big-for-face power in the multiverse like the evil Jet Li in The One

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[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

Pretty sure Israel killed him. But who the hell knows?

[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Why would Israel kill him? False flag? Because otherwise he was a Zionist's wet dream.

[-] Zirconium@lemmy.world 20 points 5 months ago

He started turning on them

[-] A7thStone@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago
[-] ikidd@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Well, now I think Israel killed Charlie Kirk. Bibi doesn't know how to tell the truth, so that's tantamount to an admission as far as I'm concerned.

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[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 5 months ago

Yeah it was really weird that he said 'the rumors that we did this are false'... before anyone prominent had actually... said that.

Extremely normal behavior.

[-] xSikes@feddit.online 12 points 5 months ago

Followed this and understood but so much bonkers happening that I just need two timelines of what happened and what actually being claimed. This is all over the place.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 10 points 5 months ago

After spending too mich time puzzling it out, I find that it makes a lot more sense as one timeline: He turned himself in to the Washington Co. sheriff on the night of the 11th, was jailed and arrested in the wee hours of the 12th, transported to Utah Co., and interrogated there on the evening of the 12th. His parents had been trying to contact a lawyer, but by the time of the interrogation at 6:25PM, his office had closed. Trying to turn it into two timelines based, essentially, on the difference between "closed for the night" and "closed for the weekend" is, TBH, weak sauce. Also, one of the linked articles says that Robinson's defense attorney didn't make an issue of the discrepancy, which makes sense if there wasn't one.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Slight correction, Robinson didn't just turn himself in out of the blue, his parents decided that he matched the image shown on the news and then tricked him to their house to force a confession/turn him in.

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[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago
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[-] eletes@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

Starting to believe the supposed Iranian hacker that Kirk had a small explosive charge hidden in some mic under his shirt, à la pager operation.

[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 8 points 5 months ago

Hm, sounds like reasonable doubt to me.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

That might explain the discord messages, but didn't he also have a text conversation with his girlfriend? Wouldn't she have noticed their way of "talking" wasn't the same?

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Maybe she did but she also had to go into hiding and hasn't released any kind of statement iirc.

[-] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A whole bunch of people called out basically all the 'text messages' as obviously bullshit, when they were made public.

Because they don't at all sound like two 20 something dorks talking to each other, they sound like a 45 yo cop, using cop lingo, and extremely overwrought language from baby's first romance novel, to approximate a conversation that two 20 something dorks might have.

[-] torik@lemmychan.org 7 points 5 months ago

These are the people that are going to go down in history as those who fought back.

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