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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone

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[-] Ratio_Tile@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 4 months ago

I love this. It's so hideous

[-] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

less hideous in V2

so the word would be spelt Ĥñœññngoiechë

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

⟨ñ⟩ for /ŋ/! That's a fun way to handle it. I also see you got ⟨ĥ⟩ from Esperanto, and swapped the diaeresis with umlaut.

There's also ⟨Ħ ħ⟩, Maltese style. I often use it for /h/, when I don't want H-digraphs to interfere.

Those rules for ⟨c⟩/⟨ç⟩ vs. ⟨s⟩ hint some etymological reason, like older /k/→[…]→/s/, Romance style. It's messy but the good kind of. And your example with ⟨garço⟩ made me notice your conlang got some French vibes, I like it.

On the vowels: the diacritics became a bit of a mess, I think your first revision with digraphs+diaeresis was better. Personally I'd go with something like

/i y u/ ⟨i u ou⟩
/e ø o/ ⟨ie eu o⟩
/ɛ œ ɔ/ ⟨ea oe oa⟩
/ɑ ə/   ⟨a e⟩

And then diaeresis on the second letter to ensure separated reading, and/or acute on the first for disambiguation.

So /xafɛ/ ends as ⟨ĥafea⟩ "wheat" and ⟨ĥaféa⟩ "café", and your little abomination is ⟨ĥñoeññngoiëche⟩. (Note: most languages would quickly convert that /ŋŋng/ into /ŋg/, so your word would end as ⟨ĥñoeñgoiëche⟩.

I'm just throwing ideas, mind you.

[-] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

thanks but I think I fixed most of that in the current version

[-] SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago

At first glance, I thought that was a list Rubik’s cube algs.

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 points 4 months ago

I prefer digraphs (Czech CH/Ch/ch) to compound letters (Slovenian IJ/ij), the half-capitalized version just looks better

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 4 months ago

What's shown in the picture is fairly solid, to be honest. The vowels remind me Italian (four heights) meets German (front unrounded vs. front rounded vs. back rounded).

/ʁ/ is being listed twice; is this an accident? Or is the consonant playing double role, as both the voiced counterpart for /x/ and as a liquid?

Vowel romanisation is a bit weird but eh, kind of tricky to do this anyway. I typically reserve letters otherwise associated with consonants for this reason; e.g. ⟨w y v⟩. But in your case it would require a lot of respelling.

Props for using a diaeresis instead of umlaut. It's the best approach in this case, umlaut tends to create too much diacritic spam.

Main thing missing from the phonotactics are assimilation rules; for example languages typically don't allow stuff like /np/ or /mt/, even if otherwise allowed. I also think it's a bit strange to allow coda stops but not coda fricatives, but that might be due to "stereotypical Romance" bias from my part.

I forgot to add that end vowels fall silent when an apostrophe comes before them, technically “KHngoiengngņgöiëxuh’í” /xŋœŋŋngoieʃə/ is completely legal

Did you review the conlang in the meantime? Because the pic says nothing about apostrophes, and /xŋ/ doesn't seem to be a valid onset in the list.

[-] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I feel like I fixed most of that in the second revision

[-] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 1 points 4 months ago

I don't know what region this is supposed to be in and I already hate the eastern dialects

[-] renzhexiangjiao@piefed.blahaj.zone 1 points 4 months ago

do you mean (C)CV(C) for the syllable structure because your example word kinda contradicts that

[-] Kasane_Teto@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 4 months ago

thats why im the second revision I changed it to Ĥafêl (V2), thats for letting me know that (I didn’t notice until I saw this)

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