What even is the French equivalent of nachos? Google Translate suggests it's "nachos" which is apparently unacceptable. I thought perhaps "croustilles de tortilla" but if "nachos" isn't acceptable then I can't imagine "tortilla" is. Do you really have to call it "croustilles de pain plat au maïs avec fromage et poulet"?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No one in Quebec orders a chien chaud. It's le hotdog.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago

Yep. Imagine if the rest of Canads forced restaurants to rename poutine to cheese curd gravy fries.

Except we would never because we're not little bitches about language.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Quebec is really stupid for how far they go for some things. This is a good example.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

The laws are not fairly enforced. Big US fast food chains don't have to change their names. When Jacques Villeneuve opened restaurant in Montreal, he could call it NewTown.

[+] SleeplessCityLights@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

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[–] gyoo@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Although I agree that the CAQ is doing a terrible job at the moment and that the bureaucrats at the OQLF sometimes exagerate without considering themseleves if there exists an alternative, it is about culture and has always been. The politics in Quebec have always rotated arround the defense against english assimilation.

[–] Chais@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Their motto is: "Je me souviens." If they know one thing it's how to hold a grudge.

[–] gyoo@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Well, the thing is that the threat is still very much present today. The french language is declining in Quebec, the youth speak more and more english, the internet is basically in english, no matter how hard you try, french music and movies are either inexistant or nobody watches them, there's routinely stories comming out of Quebecers trying to get a service from the federal, only to get shut down because nobody speak french on the other end of the line, it's more and more difficult to get a job where it's feasible to speak french all day, higher-ups in corporations live decades in the metropolis without speaking a word of french, university students are tought their fields in english, in a french class and McGill (an english university) get 90% of the grants in the province, and on and on and on. The battle is not about the conquest wars or the october crisis, it's about today.

[–] Guttural@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago

Preserving the language is a very important element of it for sure, and language-protection bills weren't invented by the CAQ.

Immigrants can learn French in their own country, they're not entitled to French lessons (except refugees, I guess, who are presumably exempted from French-learning rules anyway). They can always migrate to other parts of Canada if they don't want to bother with French, nobody forces them to choose Québec.

I've known people living for more than 5 years in Montréal, and they never bothered to learn French. Not that I think they should, but not everyone learns the language as you claim.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of the CAQ, and I would be a hypocrite to criticize migrants given I was one in the province myself, but I do think that French speakers wanting to keep their language alive in their province makes sense, and it doesn't happen on its own.

[–] HikingVet@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They really should have transparency. Because it seems like the government is doing what the Quebec government does: create a problem then cry victim on behalf of all French Canadians.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ah, yes. The French Language Penis Envy. They have been and will be second to English, and that pisses them off.

We have something similar here. English is the first foreign language taught here, and French "only" the second one. But you should hear the French teachers talking about their subject.

[–] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago

Wtf no not at all.

The entire region mostly speaks French. They are trying to preserve their culture.

[–] gyoo@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ah, yes. The Canadian Independence Penis Envy. They have been and will be second to the US, and that pisses them off. Why won't they just listen, stop defending their economy, and just be the 51st state already? There are so many benefits, I can't start to count.

Ah, yes. The English Language Penis Envy. They have been for a while and will be second to Chinese. Why won't they just accept that it would be far more economically efficient to speak the same language as our main producer? They just have to put their pesky superiority feelings aside and accept that every children in the US and Canada should now learn Chinese as their first language.

Ah yes. The Ukrainian Independence Penis Envy. They have been and will be second to Russia, and that pisses them off. Why won't they simply accept that they're not even a real country, bow down and finally accept Putin's rule?

Ah yes. The Taiwan Independence Penis Envy. The have been and will be second to China, and that pisses them off. Why won't they simply accept that they're not the real China and just come back inside the mainland? So many economic benefits.

Ah yes. The Indigenous Culture Penis Envy. They have been and will be second to European rule, and that pisses them off. Why won't they understand that there place is in the residential schools? Why won't they understand that to be properly civilized is for their benefit and that we know better than them?

Ah yes. The European Tech Sovereignty Penis Envy. The have been and will be second to American tech companies. Why won't they understand that they're too late, that it'll be too costly and that it's really just an unfair attack against American companies to declare that they have too much power over their infrastructure?

I could go on.

The defense of French language is not about saying that we are better than everyone else (although some disgusting people do think that). It is about fighting to stay alive in a world where any slippage means death. It's about fighting the 80%-90% of english-first speakers in North America that put enormous amounts of funds and weight behind assimilation. When the might of the United States and the government of your own country is pushing for you to speak english, the only way to survive is by lashing out some times.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

It's not about "exterminating" or "assimilating". It is just about French speaking people making themselves annying assholes. Nothing else.

[–] TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website 6 points 2 months ago

Sorry not sorry. I admit that Montreal is a weird city on its language but ultimately this is a French province. However the CAQ gov are stupidly racist and the way the OQLF work could be upgraded to help new 1st generation immigrants owners

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

They received 22 complaints...how hard is it for a patron to talk direct to the owner and say "Hey your receipt should say Merci",etc instead of lodging a complaint with the language police. What's the French term for Karens?

[–] gyoo@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

Des trous d'culs.

[–] Guttural@jlai.lu 1 points 2 months ago

Something feels off here. Dudette, you might not have known the (absurd) rules in the beginning, but at this point, it feels like you're making mistakes on purpose. There's no way you don't know that "chicken nachos" is English after being constantly annoyed by the fucking language police (lol, even writing it makes me chuckle).

This reads a bit like a ragebait article, even though the "solit" things sounds veeeery plausible.

[–] xyro@morbier.foo -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

She got an audit because clients complained to not have a service in French in a French province. Nothing special about it. There are plenty of other place where French is not required if that's too much of a hassle.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"if you don't like it then get out" is strange to hear outside of Maga America.

[–] xyro@morbier.foo 1 points 2 months ago

Je ne suis pas sûr que les 2 sont comparables 😜