On OpenAI's Support for Rust - The Rust Foundation (rustfoundation.org)

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[-] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 22 points 2 months ago

This is probably not worth losing sleep over. OpenAI are not the only Platinum Member, nor the biggest contributor to the Rust Foundation. Microsoft and Google have both contributed at least $1 million each, going by previous press releases. See here for a list of the foundation members

[-] SorteKanin@feddit.dk 18 points 2 months ago

Also, Foundation members have no say on the direction of the language.

[+] somegeek@programming.dev -10 points 2 months ago

I think in terms of policies and politics, Zig has a much better and sustainable future

[-] fruitcantfly@programming.dev 11 points 2 months ago

How so?

[+] somegeek@programming.dev -11 points 2 months ago

It's independant and less biased. Rust has really fallen into drama and also political stuff with megacorps. Rust definitely has a firm place for future, but I would say Rust is more similar to java and Zig is more similar to C in that manner.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago

Unless you put stake into right-wing ideologues who hate Rust because it has many cat girl developers, there is no drama. And for the record, you shouldn't, the hate peddlers make your life worse.

And great proof that Rust is free and independent is the fact that they still (carefully) do breaking changes (e.g. the slow rollout of the never type). If the corporate world would dictate its development, it'd never break existing code.

[-] Flipper@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There was the RustConf Reflections Drama...

Tim Chevalier left Rust over Drama. One of the top two contributors at the time.

[-] FizzyOrange@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Zig is a much smaller community and has already had some drama. You can't magically avoid it. All communities of a sufficient size have drama.

It might be true that Rust has a bit more drama because of the high concentration of "cat girls" as flying_sheep put it, but I don't think there's enough data to really say. Also I wouldn't be surprised if Zig attracts similar characters given its closely related goals.

[-] flying_sheep@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

I said it that way because whatever scapegoat the right has chosen in a given decade is arbitrary. Might as well be the cat ears.

[-] communism@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 months ago

I would say Rust is more similar to java and Zig is more similar to C in that manner

You're gonna have to elaborate on that… How so?

[-] somegeek@programming.dev -1 points 2 months ago

I think I did! Rust has lots of corporate and political backing from big companies and political/security firms (FBI, pentagon etc) and zig is more free and has less governance and backing, less politics involved.

[-] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Those companies and firms back Rust because it's memory safe without a garbage collector, and great for general purpose programming or systems programming. That's super important for everyone, but especially large companies working on high performance or mission critical software.

Zig is not memory safe so it's a non-starter for these things, and has not proven itself in the industry anywhere near what Rust has.

This has nothing to do with Rust being "corporate" or anything wrong with Rust.

[-] somegeek@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

Don't these companies and firms get more power in steering and forming the future, features and efforts of the rust project?

[-] asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Nope!

[-] rtxn@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Like @OP said:

Foundation members have no say on the direction of the language.

[-] innocentz3r0@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

C was literally created by AT&T for unix and pushed into POSIX and enforced as a standard.

C is as corporate as it gets.

[-] vanillama@programming.dev 1 points 2 months ago

As long as it's just receiving money it's whatever, we have lots of corporate sponsorship in the Linux kernel and in other components we use every day for computing. I wouldn't move to a different kernel/OS just because I agreed on some ideological stuff with their makers.