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Iran-US war latest: Swiss peace talks abruptly cancelled after Trump boasts of Tehran’s ‘unconditional surrender’ (www.independent.co.uk)

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 128 points 4 months ago

For the people who didn't read the article - apparently everyone in this thread - the reason for the postponement is not Trump's comments, despite how the headline makes it sound.

Iran are smart enough to let Trump mouth off. What killed the talks is that Israel killed a bunch more people in Lebanon today.

This was inevitable. Iran wants a muzzled Israel as a condition of the war ending. Israel doesn't want the war to end with anything less than the total destruction of Iran (they certainly don't want a capitulation that actually leaves Iran stronger). So Israel are going to deliberately break the ceasefire until one of three things happens;

Iran stops calling them on it (there is zero evidence that this will happen).
Trump gives up on peace and commits to a full scale invasion.
Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

As I've noted elsewhere, this war isn't remotely close to over. US vs Iran was the pre-show. Defeating AIPAC's iron grip on US politics is the main event.

[-] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

Stupid headlines

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 17 points 4 months ago

Annoyingly, it's technically accurate, but extremely misleading.

If I say my friend died after eating at Arby's, while neglecting to mention the part where he went to a bar, got stinking drunk and wrapped his car around a tree, the entire statement is technically true. Those events did happen, in that order. He certainly didn't die before eating at Arby's. But there's an implied cause and effect that has nothing to do with the reality.

[-] Waraugh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The fortune teller gave me some grim news, she said that I’m going to die after eating at Arby’s 8(. I haven’t been to one in decades but now I’ll never go back for sure.

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[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 15 points 4 months ago

trump declares mission accomplished and invades cuba so he can feel stronk.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago

That doesn't solve the strait, and the US is about a month away from having too little crude oil to actually run their refineries (you have to maintain a certain pressure level in the pipes or the whole system stops). We haven't seen the real oil crisis yet. The real oil crisis is 10x gas prices, rationing, grounded planes... It would be cataclysmic.

Trump has to pick an option here. If declaring victory and walking away was possible he would have done it already.

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[-] 87Six@lemmy.zip 10 points 4 months ago

Trump finds a way to make Israel do what he tells them.

Does he realize he could just bomb israel instead? Is he stupid?

[-] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 months ago

No. Yes.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

A forever war, then?

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

We have ways been at war with Eastasia.

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[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

Currently, based on public statements from him and Vance, it actually looks like Trump thinks a fight with AIPAC is more winnable than a fight with the global oil market. Both he and Vance have been pretty openly threatening Israel. Whether they'll have the spine to put some steel in those threats is to be seen, but that seems to be the direction they're leaning, at least for now.

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[-] Big_Boss_77@fedinsfw.app 103 points 4 months ago

You keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it means.

[-] UncleArthur@lemmy.world 76 points 4 months ago

This is the terrifying bit to me, FTA:

In his latest interview, Trump told Axios that there are “no limits” to his power and the peace deal is “probably is unconditional surrender” of Iran.

Trump was asked what the conflict had taught him about the limits of his power. Trump replied: "I haven't learned that lesson yet. I know there are, but there are no limits."

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 22 points 4 months ago

Yeah. He is either incredibly delusional about what is going on or his administration is really great at keeping him in the dark.

[-] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago

He keeps himself in the dark, because his brain doesn’t work.

Both because of dementia and because of life long narcissism at least.

[-] Pringles@sopuli.xyz 5 points 4 months ago

It would be incredibly sad if it didn’t have such widespread consequences. He always was a dumb narcissist, but he really is deteriorating mentally quickly in the past year, and he never was that bright to begin with. He should be in an elderly home, not the oval office.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

He is a dishonest piece of shit, so all of these can be true.

[-] Bogus007@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sounds a bit like this Austrian wannabe painter. He also thought that there is no limit.

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[-] redsand@infosec.pub 68 points 4 months ago

Not like Israel was ever going to get on board anyway. Deal was dead from day 1. Same pump n dump every week

[-] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 16 points 4 months ago

America holds the leash; Israel depends on America's diplomatic, military, and financial support to continue existing. Every time a US president has tugged at the leash, Israel has come to heel.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago

This is the smallest president we've ever had.

[-] ITGuyLevi@programming.dev 12 points 4 months ago

Plus he is 100% compromised, there is no way they don't have blackmail on him. Given his (the shitbirds) history, both recent and ancient, I wonder what type of blackmail would actually change the minds of his supporters or convince the US to actually pursue justice on his stained ass.

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 10 points 4 months ago

Epstein was literally an Israeli political operative. They know where every single body is buried.

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[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago

Tehran Surrender

Wrong.

Unconditional

Also wrong.

Conditional US Surrender

There it is.

[-] teyrnon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

He promised unconditional surrender, the media is saying he did not deliver that, and he looks like a bitch, which he is, and so now is just guiding his sheep and trolls and thralls to pretend he won so he doesn't look like a bitch.

He's not fooling anyone outside the flock though. President dickhead is a bitch. He's Israel's bitch.

[-] Wrongdoer2@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 months ago

Hahahahahahahaha fucking hell

[-] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 40 points 4 months ago

He single handedly save the US from the jaws of success

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[-] Ghyste@sh.itjust.works 28 points 4 months ago

Fucking idiot.

[-] Mihies@programming.dev 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The remaining Orange's ~~free~~ few brain cells did an unconditional surrender.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

Really makes you feel for the attempted assassins, they had a tough marksmanship challenge when trying to liberate those cells.

[-] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

His sphincter unconditionally surrendered a decade ago

[-] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 21 points 4 months ago

To avoid this the next version of the memorandum of understanding must have a specific clause highlighting that Trump is a little bitch.

[-] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 20 points 4 months ago

TACO time again?

[-] Tronn4@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

Mighty morphin taco time!

[-] com@mander.xyz 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

What can be done about these terrible click-bait "news" headlines? It's just awful. A high school newspaper has more accurate headlines. Personally, I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

Maybe there is a news instance that doesn't allow this. I'll be outside shouting at clouds.

[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I'd like to see news organizations that do this banned from being shared here if the poster uses the canned spam title with the post.

then nothing would be posted.

I don't disagree with your point that editorialized headlines are just awful, but if you were to ban sources based on this criteria on lemmy, the information just wouldn't be posted on lemmy.

[-] nickiwest@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

The thing that annoys me more is that the article and the headline have been updated now to say that the talks were called off because of Israeli strikes on Hezbollah.

I was curious not so much about what Trump said, but whether it actually affected negotiations.

[-] Miller@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Trump boasts of Tehran’s [start mumble] acceptance of our [end mumble] ‘unconditional surrender’

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

Ah what a waste of time and money for everyone

[-] Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

There weren't any conditions left after you fulfilled them all...

[-] Signtist@bookwyr.me 4 points 4 months ago

I got a free banana from the store! All I had to do was give them $10 first!

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

Oh dear, is he really going to fail at failing?

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