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Inspired by a Utilitarian question in another post, it occurred to me that if you found a magic lamp, and the genie offered you a wish, and you wanted to better humanity, your best move is to wish for happiness and contentment for all of the people you hate the most.

It's fear, anger, or outrage that drives discontent, and motivates people to try to change the world around them. If you wish for happiness and contentment for the people you like, e.g. the ones fighting for human rights, for peace, for justice, then that deprives them of their best motivation, and they'll stop fighting.

But if you wish contentment on the evil people—you know who they are—they will also stop striving to change the world, to tear down society, and to arrogate it all for themselves. Like that famous quote, if you wish to grant Musk and Bezos feeling of "enough," they would no longer need to hoard a pile of gold beyond the imaging of the greediest dragon.

I dunno. They don't deserve it, buy the outcome would make the world better for everybody. Could you do it?

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

IDK, I think the genie would just make them happy to be assholes.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago

The monkey's paw would totally do that.

[–] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

Happiness is not a state of having enough, of being done. It's enjoying the way things are going. Even contentment doesn't cause people to stop wanting to be in the state that makes them content. Tell me the Americans in this image look unhappy (NSFL, torture).

Billionaires aren't some alien creature incapable of being happy. It doesn't take active effort for them to accumulate capital, they can just let a team of trustworthy millionaires manage their assets for them. And those millionaires? Many of them genuinely enjoy getting to play with billions of dollars, making big decisions that affect the future, and winning capitalism harder. And cops? Oh boy, another good day to beat up minorities.

Evil is a facet of humanity that is brought to the forefront not because of discontent or unhappiness, but because of systems that reward evil. The sadistic joy of state-sanctioned violence does not require a broken heart.

What I expect would happen if you magically made all the terrible people in the world happy and content is that they would no longer be held back by conscience or cognitive dissonance. They could commit genocide without any regrets; make decisions that kill millions without any pang of guilt. Evil would increase in scope and violence.

If you want to stop evil, change society so evil is no longer rewarded.

Ironically, I do believe everyone deserves happiness, if only their happiness didn't come at the cost of others. I see no point in punishment or deprivation other than as tools to help others.

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I think you would also need to wish them be emotionally and interpersonally healthy

I think many of those people's dissatisfaction may be rooted in some deeper issues that without fixing, you would just get more dysfunction.

But if I understood it would fix the suffering, I would do it in a heartbeat. I don't want retribution, I want a better life for the people I love and the people who come after us.

End the retaliatory carceral "justice" mentality- Kill the cop in your mind.

There are times where justice and retribution may look the same, but it is not all times. When you have the ability to right the wrongs rather than create more suffering, choose righting the wrongs.

[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That is a wonderful thought. Thank you!

[–] Cris_Citrus@piefed.zip 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you for the kind words my friend :)

Hope you have a lovely day ☺️

[–] HeroHelck@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Hmm, good thought, but personally I'd just wish for them to be sent to The Torment Nexus for all eternity.

[–] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I've came up with a wish during some day dreaming to give every human a perfect replicator. Food, resources, even the replicator itself could be copied. Completely flips power dynamics, remove leverage that awful people have on everyone.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Incidentally, that is kind of Thomas Jefferson's ideal. He envisioned a United States of yeoman farmers, each family having a plot of land, and being self-sufficient. If politics or the government got too onerous, they could choose to withdraw to their own land, and thereby withdraw consent to be governed in that manner.

It was a pipe dream, because the majority of Americans lived in cities, even then. But a replicator, now that's a different story...

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thomas Jefferson the slave owner wanted that fur white, monied men.

[–] idiomaddict@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

They don't deserve it, buy the outcome would make the world better for everybody. Could you do it?

On a similar note, I discussed a headline with my husband recently: it’s literally not worth a trillion dollars to be elon musk (paraphrased). He pointed out that it’s enough money that it wouldn’t be about the person choosing anymore- they could redistribute it, fix democracy, order a hit on the most egregious dictators (or host a red wedding).

I would like to believe I could choose the well being of humanity instead of my own emotional stability, but it’s a much harder question than most of these are.

I’m literally already rationalizing to myself that I might make things worse by interfering, just giving people a bunch of cash doesn’t fix everything, and I don’t know if the people who will replace the world’s dictators would be worse. I mean, all of those are true, please don’t give me a trillion dollars, but I also really want to keep my loved ones.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 1 points 3 weeks ago

If it's a whole-ass genie, and I can do anything, probably I'd wish for some sort of reality sharding. All the conservatives can go to their own private server. Every ten years someone can ask for a server transfer.

[–] Curious_Canid@piefed.ca 1 points 3 weeks ago

I do think that most of the evil in the world is caused by fear, which results in unhappiness and anger. Making the evil people happy would probably "fix" a lot of them. The main problem would be the people who would have been fine if they'd been happy initially, but are now too steeped in hatred to change. Well, them plus the genuine sociopaths.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 1 points 3 weeks ago

Temporary fix. Ask genie to make everyone want free, quality, comprehensive health (including mental, duh) for everyone, especially themselves.