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[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 days ago

It should be illegal to sell something you bought a millisecond ago, I think 1 month should be the minimum.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Since watching the market for the past few years I found to completely ignore everything bad or good. It just never makes any sense. Like earlier this year, the war started and the market tanked rightfully so. That continued for a bit then magically I guess were just ok with it now and it surged. If it made any sense at all it should still be in freefall. Theres nothing good going on to have the gains it has had the past few months anyway...

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

That continued for a bit then magically I guess were just ok with it now and it surged.

That was action on China's part actually that smoothed out the world economy specifically around petroleum concerns. This is the first time its ever happened but China took on the role that the USA used to do with the Strategic Petroleum Reserve where, in the past, the USA would release stored oil into the market to make up for supply disruptions anywhere in the world stabilizing world petroleum prices. Now, the USA is the cause of the petroleum instability with kidnapping Maduro and attacking Iran.

When the first USA attack on Iran happened, China stopped buying huge amounts of oil (as it had been for the past 4 years) and switched to its internal reserves which are now about 8 times larger than the USA's. This mean all the huge oil demand that China had evaporated leaving more remaining supply for everyone else so prices stabilized even as the Straight of Hormuz was still closed from Iran/USA ship attacks. So this time, we need to thank China for being the adults in the room while trump throws a toddler temper tantrum.

[–] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, I actually saw a video on that the other day. I knew nothing about that prior to seeing the video. I guess that makes sense, but I didnt realize it was so well known to everyone that that even happened. I still feel like the world is in a bad place all around currently and it used to reflect that as well.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago

I had no idea. I have been very annoyed at the sunsetting of strategic reserves over the last few decades in the us.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The headline is factually accurate, but not nearly as dire as it suggests. The S&P500, of which 35% is the "magnificent 7", dropped but a total of 1.21%. When you zoom in on a single stock where the effect is magnified like Nvidia (NVDA), it dropped by 1.56%, so I wouldn't consider that a selloff.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

you see this all the time now. shock at one or two percent drops and recognition of double digit gains but the expectation is constant growth. The bubble is insane.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

but the expectation is constant growth.

Well, historically over a long enough time horizon, it always has grown.

Here's the S&P500 since its inception in 1957:

Those gray vertical bars represent significant drops. You can see even with bubble bursting, it has always not only recovered but dramatically increased even more.

So yes, there's probably an AI bubble in the stock market right now, and yes it will likely burst at some point, but even after it does, the market will likely recover and eventually be even stronger.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

yeah that is glossing over things that happen in a day, week , month, and even year. Before 2k and even 08 you had good weeks and bad. yeah over a long stretch if grows but its never been like its been this millenia. now its like because you so rarely have a down week a few percent is big news. its the same with coporate profits. single digits were normal and double was big news. now double is not meeting expectations and you actually see triple at times. its insane.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

yeah over a long stretch if grows but its never been like its been this millenia.

Sure it has. Historically its grown even faster at certain times. Check out the recover after the great depression for a fast and explosively high growth (higher that we have today). The 1990s had an even higher and longer bull run until the dot.com bubble burst.

now its like because you so rarely have a down week a few percent is big news. its the same with coporate profits.

I think you hit on the key term "big news". Volatility is part of markets. Its built in. The reason you're hearing about a 50 basis point market move as a headline is there are dozens of news organizations that have to report on something and the the headline "Markets today were okay like they were yesterday" doesn't get attention.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

im not talking about that. Im talking about bussiness as usual. The market should lose regularly throughout the year. Its a normal type cycle. It should also gain. Most years it should gain but some it should lose. Loss weeks and years are both far rarer than in the past.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The market should lose regularly throughout the year.

Where does this idea come from? What is the basis for expected losses you're pointing to?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

70's, 80's, 90's. Its just how the market used to be. News every evening would mention if it was up or down and down was not uncommon. every friday they would cap off the week with if it was up or down. again. down was not that uncommon.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Oh sure, daily volatility. That's still very much a thing. Here's the S&P500 over the last month with lots of "down" days:

So I'm confused about your statement that there aren't "down" days or weeks. Or even "down" months for that matter. Feb 2026 was a down month, so was March 2026. March, by itself was a 5.36% drop from the month prior for the S&P500. April and May were up over the prior month, but then June was lower than May. So that volatility in the micro view is still very much a thing. Over the longer time horizon, the trend is "up" though. That was the point I was making.

Having this volatility on the day, week, or month basis was very common prior to Jan 1 2000, and is still common now. So what point are you making on that?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 5 days ago

im not saying there are absolutely no down days although I get I was not clear. More that they are not as common and small dips are reported like they are shocks. Like in 2000 a drop of 1% on the dow would be under 100 points and just looked at as a typical down day. would have to get closer to 5% to make the drop all that news worthy.

[–] bizarroland@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Is it happening yet?