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    So I saw political compass memes a while ago and started making one, but then I started taking it too seriously and eventually turned it into a tier list. Idk if it makes sense to share it here, but idk where else to share such a thing. I also made a browser tier list, but idk where to share that either.

    This whole thing is a png export of a pure svg image. For some of the logos, I had to make them either from scratch or by using gimp and inkscape to convert a png into an svg (imperfect but good enough).

    Hopefully this is all formatted properly.

    OS Tier ListS-Tier (reasonably secure operating system):

    • Qubes OS

    Advanced (complicated setup and configuration):

    • Gentoo Linux
    • Guix System
    • Slackware Linux
    • Linux From Scratch (LFS)
    • Mobile NixOS
    • NixOS
    • Whonix
    • Predator-OS
    • Linux Kodachi
    • Gentoo FreeBSD

    Enhanced (optimized security and minimalism):

    • Alpine Linux
    • Hyperbola GNU/Linux-libre
    • Chimera Linux
    • EasyOS
    • postmarketOS
    • Tails
    • Kicksecure
    • NetHydra
    • ParrotOS
    • OpenBSD
    • GrapheneOS
    • Secureblue

    Minimal (maximally mini resource use):

    • Tiny Core Linux
    • LibreCMC
    • Void Linux
    • Puppy Linux
    • AsteroidOS
    • Slitaz
    • 4MLinux
    • OpenWrt
    • DragonFly BSD
    • FreeBSD
    • NetBSD

    Indie & BSD (independent distros and BSD systems):

    • PCLinuxOS
    • Dynebolic
    • KaOS
    • Mageia
    • LuneOS
    • Solus
    • AerynOS
    • GNOME OS
    • KDE Linux
    • GhostBSD

    Arch (reasonably fresh and arch-based):

    • SystemRescue
    • Parabola GNU/Linux-libre
    • pearOS
    • EndeavourOS
    • Nemo Mobile
    • Arch Linux Arm
    • BlackArch Linux
    • Archhurd
    • Archcraft
    • Nyarch
    • Ageless Arch
    • Arch Linux
    • CachyOS
    • Garuda Linux

    Debian (reasonably stable and debian-based):

    • Flora Linux-libre
    • Genuen
    • Devuan GNU+Linux
    • Loc-OS
    • antiX
    • MX Linux
    • Maemo Leste
    • Mobian
    • Emmabuntüs
    • Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE)
    • Ageless Linux
    • Debian
    • KNOPPIX
    • PikaOS Linux
    • RetroPie
    • LibreElec
    • Vanilla OS

    Corpo-ish (corporation-created and/or dependent):

    • Replicant
    • Uruk GNU/Linux-libre
    • Trisquel GNU/Linux
    • AnduinOS
    • Linux Lite
    • UBports
    • Xubuntu
    • Lubuntu
    • Kubuntu
    • Linux Mint
    • KDE neon
    • Fedora
    • Asahi Linux
    • Bazzite
    • Nobara Linux
    • Rocky Linux
    • AlmaLinux
    • openSUSE

    Corporate (corporation-owned and/or controlled):

    • /e/OS
    • Sailfish OS
    • PureOS
    • Manjaro Linux
    • Raspberry Pi OS
    • OSMC
    • Kali Linux
    • Zorin OS
    • Tuxedo OS
    • Pop!_OS
    • elementary OS
    • Ubuntu
    • Proxmox
    • SteamOS
    • CentOS Stream
    • Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL)
    • CloudLinux OS
    • SUSE Linux Enterprise
    • Unraid

    Dubious (questionable and/or suspicious):

    • Waydroid
    • Artix Linux
    • Omarchy
    • OpenMandriva

    Borderline (possibly dangerous and best to avoid):

    • LineageOS

    MALWARE (actively dangerous and harmful to use):

    • android
    • chromeOS
    • Apple Operating Systems (macOS, iOS, etc.)
    • Windows
    • Red Star OS
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    [–] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Is that the Knoppix logo? To my knowledge it's unmaintained (still offering kernel 2.6?) and last time I tried downloading it years ago the .iso contained a virus. That one is definitely dubious at best.

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago

    When I'd previously gone searching, I remember having seen some posts on reddit and forums about how Professor Klaus Knopper had paused development for a while but indicated that he'd eventually get back to it. I can't seem to find those posts at the moment, but I'm pretty sure that still holds true.

    As for the problem of iso files containing malware, that seems unrelated to the actual distro itself and more to do with re-shares of it. Though people should definitely be aware of such problems, as well as the problem of running out-of-date or end-of-life distros. It's mainly in the list as a nod to its historical significance, with the hope that it gets a big update one day.

    [–] toddestan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

    When I saw that, I was like "wait, is Knoppix still around?". A quick search revealed it hasn't been updated in some time.

    Back in the 2000's Knoppix was a life saver more than once, but once other distros gained the ability to run live from the install media, I didn't really need Knoppix any longer.

    [–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

    Sad, knoppix was the goat for me back in 2004. Ran several scrap yard computers for months at a time from the live disk.

    [–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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    [–] RanchBranch@anarchist.nexus 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I think this might be the most impressive/best one I've seen so far

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    tyvm ❤️ I credit my unmedicated psychological disorders and the emptiness of my life which is sometimes randomly filled by projects like this that captivate me and don't really matter.

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    [–] toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    There are some weird picks here. Is replicant even maintained anymore? UBports and Asahi Linux in Corpo-ish? And what do you have against LineageOS?

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    From the Ageless Linux site:

    Ageless Linux is a Debian-based operating system distribution.

    It didn't have a logo so I made one based on the styling of the site. There used to be a site for Ageless Arch not long ago, and so I had made a logo for it based on what I'd made for Ageless Linux. The site seems to be offline now but I kept the logo in the list anyway.

    UBPorts was created by a corporation and is an ubuntu distro. Asahi Linux is a Red Hat (Fedora) distro. I'd wanted corporate influence to be represented.

    LineageOS is not degoogled and will connect to google unless properly firewalled, which afaik cannot be done properly on-device. Waydroid is basically a containerized LineageOS which can at least be firewalled from the host os, but that's sub-optimal, which is why I have it one notch above LineageOS.

    Edit: Replicant is still technically maintained but has fallen very far behind.

    [–] toothbrush@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    true. I will adjust my comment. Good logo!

    Lineage is not gegoogled? You have to install google services seperatly, when does it connect?

    I suppose if corporate status is inherited that may be correct. in my opinion, its a bit too far removed to be corporate. Asahi linux is a purely volunteer distro, and ubuntu mobile was discontinued years ago, and is also purely volunteers-run nowadays.

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

    Lineage is not gegoogled? You have to install google services seperatly, when does it connect?

    I had tried Waydroid (containerized LineageOS) on my linux phone, and the OpenSnitch firewall running in the host linux system flagged multiple google connections that Waydroid was attempting to make upon starting. Basic connectivity stuff, but googled nonetheless. I hadn't seen any disclaimers on their site about it, but I also hadn't seen anything about LineageOS advertising itself as degoogled in the first place. I view degoogled android as generally acceptable (though it's not for me), but googled android is unacceptable (in my view).

    in my opinion, its too far removed to be corporate.

    That's why I called it "corpo-ish" :p (cuz I have no idea how else to describe the corporate relationship at play). But yeah, the corporate row is acceptable to me. They get a passing grade. I still use PureOS on my Librem 5 and OSMC on my Vero and have my parents setup with /e/OS on their Fairphones. Valid options all around.

    [–] RogueBanana@piefed.zip 5 points 1 week ago

    Damn, did not realize there was a phone version of nixos.

    [–] aguasemgas@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    The pink Linux Mint got me bugged for a moment lol

    If you do an update on this, add calyx os (A custom rom to android), it's more safe than lineage os, but less safe than graphene is. And it does support a few more devices other than pixel.

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    [–] the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Sorry to point out a mistake but isn't CacheOS a gaming distro? As I understand the chart, it's not in that grouping but is right next to it

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I did initially have CachyOS in the gaming group, but after looking a little closer, it appears to be a general-purpose distro optimized for performance, which happens to be useful for gaming. So it doesn't seem to be specifically made for gaming, which is why I pulled it out of that group but kept it right next to it (and next to the "popular" group, since it's one of the most popular distros).

    [–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    I’ve used CachyOS for years, and this seems about right. +1

    Many optimizations are definitely tailored to gaming, it’s gaming centric in origin, but its purpose and user-facing bits are more generalized than that.

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Is that just a weird Kali logo or is it a modified kali distro lol?

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

    If you're talking about the distro in the third row from the top, that's NetHydra, which is similar to Kali Linux but is not owned by a corporate entity. The full list of all distros is included in a spoilered text box thing in the main post.

    [–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Mint is corpo-ish? That's new to me.

    [–] 14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    mint is based on ubuntu (except for the mint debian edition) which is probably why it is there

    Ah that makes sense. I disagree but at least I get it now.

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago

    This was my reasoning, yes.

    [–] 01189998819991197253@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    I can't see the image. It asks me log in on an instance where I do not have an account. So, I appreciate the text in the expand.

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    [–] DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago (3 children)
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    [–] redsand@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Would you believe gentoo, slack and LFS can be more secure than qubes in many use cases if you know what you're doing? LFS you basically need to be a wizard but in theory it's possible.

    [–] hirihit640@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago (12 children)

    In theory, any Linux OS can be more secure if you know what you're doing. Just write all the software yourself and don't write any bugs!

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    [–] username_1@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Tier 1; OS: Debian.
    Tier 2; Hmm: Red Hat, Arch, Gentoo.
    Tier 3; Shit: Android, Windows, TR-DOS.
    Tier 4; Is it even an OS: all others...

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    [–] Sxan@piefed.zip 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Huh. Þere are more systemd-free distros þan I was aware of.

    Wheþer or not I agree wiþ all of your opinions about categorization, þis is an interesting, þoughtful, and þought-provoking piece of work.

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

    tyvm ❤️ What had started as a random fun project ended up sucking me in, and I spent more and more time researching different distros to see how þey compared in my eyes. Þe systemd age-verification controversy is what had caused me to consider it a worþwhile goal to be free from reliance on systemd, and I slowly discovered lots of such distros. I do really hope Qubes OS can move in þat direction eventually. And yes, I realize my views of þese distros is probably very different from þe views of most oþers. Neverþeless, random conversation-starting content <3

    [–] DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    Why is elementaryOS corporate?

    [–] keiko@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    From wiki/Elementary_OS:

    The operating system, the desktop environment (called Pantheon), and accompanying applications are developed and maintained by elementary, Inc.

    From elementary.io:

    The elementary brand belongs to elementary, Inc., the company that guides and supports development of elementary products.

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