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Oh tyvm for the info. I remember seeing progress on that front. Nice to see they did it. I shall add that to the small list of changes I plan to make. I will of course obsess over it for a while before considering the changes done. As is tradition ^^ Oh and no worries about commenting wherever. No such thing as noise if it's in a meme thread :p And thank you for the praise 🩷

If you're talking about the age-verification stuff, I actually did have a group for "Plans to Age-Verify" but decided to hide that since it made the image even more complicated and difficult to interpret than it already is. If/when any of the distros above the gray area do end up implementing age-verification in such a way that the user cannot simply ignore it, then they will be dropped to the gray area with the other operating systems which I cannot recommend.

Thank you!

Beyond 5 logos, this graph is useless to me

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Have you visited any of the other platforms lately? Just sayin...

"Possibly" denotes the fact that it depends on the user's sensibilities.

LineageOS is not degoogled and will connect to google unless properly firewalled, which afaik cannot be done properly on-device. And as another user pointed out, android is under google's control and doesn't look like it will last indefinitely. I feel that android itself is a dead-end. Projects like GrapheneOS will have to do a hard fork away from android one day, or they will cease to exist as an option.

But anyway, LineageOS is googled android, and google is a nefarious surveillance advertising corporation. So LineageOS is borderline malware in my eyes.

Feel free to disagree of course. I don't really care either way. You do you.

As I said in another comment:

I did initially have CachyOS in the gaming group, but after looking a little closer, it appears to be a general-purpose distro optimized for performance, which happens to be useful for gaming. So it doesn't seem to be specifically made for gaming, which is why I pulled it out of that group but kept it right next to it (and next to the "popular" group, since it's one of the most popular distros).

• I'm not sure Android belongs in the bottom tier. Or at least not yet. As of right now, you can still use it as an open OS, and it's great for devices such as handheld gaming consoles. I've also never seen age verification in Android yet.

Google's Android is in the Malware row because google is a nefarious surveillance advertising corporation, and their android offering is known for having trackers/spyware built-in. From what I've read, Android Open Source Project (AOSP) is to Android as Chromium is to Chrome, in that it's not as infested with google trackers/spyware while still being generally googled in the way that it phones home for ntp and dns connectivity checks.

You are correct that android does not yet require age-verification, and I'm kinda surprised you're the only one to have pointed this out so far. I simply didn't feel like waiting to share this tier list meme thing and didn't want to make it seem as though apple is the only one implementing age-verification.

• Why is LineageOS 'borderline'? I'm not aware of anything dangerous about it. It's not far from Graphene, just for a lot more devices.

LineageOS is not degoogled and will connect to google unless properly firewalled, which afaik cannot be done properly on-device. LineageOS is googled android, and google is a nefarious surveillance advertising corporation. So LineageOS is borderline malware in my eyes.

In contrast, GrapheneOS is fully degoogled and is also maximally secured, which is why I placed it in a much higher rank. Though, it is ultimately still android, so it's not for me. Android is under google's control and doesn't look like it will last indefinitely. I feel that android itself is a dead-end. Projects like GrapheneOS will have to do a hard fork away from android one day, or they will cease to exist as an option.

• Why are Artix Linux and Waydroid 'dubious'? Especially Waydroid, as it's not an operating system.

Waydroid is basically a containerized LineageOS which can at least be firewalled from the host os, but that's sub-optimal, which is why I have it one notch above LineageOS.

I had tried Waydroid on my linux phone, and the OpenSnitch firewall running in the host linux system flagged multiple google connections that Waydroid was attempting to make upon starting. Basic connectivity stuff, but googled nonetheless. I hadn't seen any disclaimers on their site about it, but I also hadn't seen anything about LineageOS advertising itself as degoogled in the first place. I view degoogled android as generally acceptable (though it's not for me), but googled android is unacceptable (in my view). So I placed Waydroid in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.

As for Artix Linux, this repo, made in response to another repo, has this bit:

Artix Linux | Developers are openly transphobic

When attempting to click the link to see for myself, I still find that the artix forums are inaccessible, and so I can't see for myself. I remember seeing something mentioned on a reddit post or forum somewhere about the same sort of thing, which makes me think it's true. So I placed Artix in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.

The other two I'm unfamiliar with, or at least the logos.

The other two distros in the Dubious row are Omarchy and OpenMandriva.

When researching Omarchy, I came across articles like this, this, and this detailing the many unpleasant aspects of the dev's character, including racism and transmisia. So I placed Omarchy in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.

When researching OpenMandriva, I came across lots of links referring to it as "the non-woke linux distro" and their forum, which was and is accessible, was what I'd expected to see. Basically "non-political" politics, which tends to mean anti-. It was an unpleasant place, and I think the intention is to make it unpleasant for the types of people they hate so as to keep them away. So I placed OpenMandriva in the Dubious row to represent my unwillingness to recommend it.

This might be the best looking and most comprehensive tier list of anything I've ever seen.

tyvm 🩷