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Making baseless claims without providing any sources adds nothing to the debate. If they're so easy to find - all the more reason to spend 10 seconds linking them. How is anyone supposed to know which ones you're referring to?

The 'sources' you just linked are completely unrelated to the original article. The article is about Regulation (EU) 2023/1230 of the European Parliament. Even though it doesn't name it directly, you can find nearly identical articles that do. It's just a terrible article overall.

Regulation 2023/1230 covers CNC machine tools and software for them. Temu, Shein, and AliExpress have absolutely nothing to do with that, because none of them produces or sells CNC machinery or software.

As you can read from the regulation itself, and from various coverages of it, all companies' products and services are required to meet the exact same standards. Whether you produce in the EU or import from China (or wherever else) - same rules apply.

Chinese exporters failing to update technical documentation or conduct third-party testing may face customs delays, market entry bans, and recall risks.

https://www.ynypm.com/news/policy-regulation/rade-regulations/EU-s-Revised-Machinery-Regulation--Key-Impacts-and-Industry-Response.html

Just because Temu, Shein, or AliExpress sometimes fail to meet EU standards doesn't mean all Chinese companies always fail to do so. This is terrible logic. If you can't provide proof that violations are happening - don't claim so. Or highlight that it's just your suspicion. Otherwise you're spreading misinformation.

It should also be noted that CNC machinery is held to considerably higher standards, since those machines are used by huge factories employing many workers. Using non-compliant devices would also break workers protection laws, since they'd be working in unsafe conditions.

Additional sources:

• https://www.tuv.com/world/en/new-machinery-regulation-eu-2023-1230.html
• https://www.cemarkingauthority.com/post/the-guide-to-the-new-european-machinery-regulation-eu-2023-1230-replacing-the-old-machinery-direct
• https://www.mdesign.de/en/news/eu-maschinenverordnung-2027/

Apparently not ample enough to post it lol

See, all it took was removing CDPR from the picture. As soon as squeezing maximum possible profits stopped being the only priority, development of a Linux client began.

Steam isn't open source either.

In my country, GTA 6 (like most AAA games), costs about 10% of an average person's post-tax monthly income. These games just don't have anything to warrant that kind of price tag in my opinion.

Especially when fantastic indie games release at a fraction of that price. Sure, games like GTA 6 were made by thousands of people over several years, but so what? If the end result is mediocre, it doesn't matter how expensive it was to make.

Just like I replied to you in a different thread... Temu, Shein, and AliExpress do not sell industrial machinery.

The link you provided is an article about what a European corporate lobby says and wants. Lobbies are not trustworthy or reliable sources of information.

Any sources for any of the other claims made? How is China circumventing the safety standards?

Temu, Shein, and AliExpress do not sell industrial machinery. The closest items available there are tiny excavators. I don't know what kind of quality you can expect, but perhaps this should be looked into as well.

Can you provide a source for the claim of machines from China not meeting EU safety standards?

Everything that gets imported into the EU has to pass the exact same safety tests as everything made inside the EU. That's literally what the regulation states.

• https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/manufacturing/machinery-safety
• https://www.ynypm.com/news/policy-regulation/rade-regulations/EU-s-Revised-Machinery-Regulation--Key-Impacts-and-Industry-Response.html

As for ethical standards - as I said, sanction companies that do not come close to European standards and severely violate workers' rights. If they meet them or are relatively close - nothing needs to be done.

Tl;dr - European companies are mad, because they cannot compete with their Chinese rivals.

Aside from industries where Chinese companies cut costs by abusing workers - I don't see why I should pay more just so a European billionaire can get richer, instead of a Chinese one.

Some of the aforementioned industries where Chinese companies fail to uphold reasonable working conditions and ethics are already sanctioned on an EU level.

Let's include more violating companies on that list, and leave the rest as it is. No European should pay more for the same quality and same ethical standards.

If European companies cannot compete on equal terms - by the market's rules they should go out of business. Innovate and improve, or go bankrupt.

Again...?

Personally I consider it overpriced in every single country. Video games should not cost this much.

As far as I can see, it is. The regulation itself, as well as all articles about it I can find, mention that imported machinery is subject to the exact same standards.

Keep in mind that the article is about what some Italian lobby says. I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt. Chances are they're just afraid of going out of business due to perfectly fair competition.

Sources:

• https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A02023R1230-20260529 (the actual regulation)
• https://www.ynypm.com/news/policy-regulation/rade-regulations/EU-s-Revised-Machinery-Regulation--Key-Impacts-and-Industry-Response.html
• https://www.tuvsud.com/en/industries/manufacturing/machinery-safety