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[-] Cherry@piefed.social 116 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I feel like there has been waves of losses.

  • Web 2.0 upgrades made everyone feel like they had to have a shiny polished site. We lost a lot of fun amateurs.

Once apps started getting pushed websites started to get abandoned/empty. everything from shopping to small games. I shouldn't need an app for the coffee shop.

Bots and bad search operators made looking and finding a chore.

Insta killed blogs, suddenly everyone wanted a insta or YT brand rather than a blog/rss

  • Everything became sponsored =- say i wanted to find out how to polish my boots, the first 3 pages and everything everywhere suddenly tries to sell me boots.

This is why i no longer enjoy the internet. I know i sound old man yelling at cloud.

[-] reksas@sopuli.xyz 59 points 2 months ago

you dont sound like old man yelling at cloud. you sound like sane man in madhouse.

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 13 points 2 months ago

Old man yelling at cloud was right all along. The cloud is genuinely trying to ruin us.

[-] rozodru@piefed.world 45 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

as a former web developer, you nailed it.

I essentially taught myself how to build sites from Geocities. Back then the internet was awesome because finding a new site that was cool was like finding buried treasure. Things weren't condensed. there was no central hub for news, media, socializing, etc. it was all spread out. you had webrings of similar interests, different forums you'd go to for different topics. different chat rooms like IRC, or The Palace, or Yahoo/AOL chat. It was better. it was easier to make friends online.

now it's all condensed and boring. you go to less than a handful of sites a day, maybe only one or two, to get content. Forums are all but dead and social media killed them. We know too much about each other now, the "penpal" aspect is gone. blogs and livejournals don't provide interesting and personal content anymore...they all have hidden agendas of essentially the author trying to get a job. Webapps killed creativity.

The internet is boring now and you really have to dig and dig deep for that "old school" content. because regardless of what search engine you use be it DDG, Kogi, Startpage, Google, whatever NONE of them are going to point you to someones Neocities or SpaceHey or blog anymore. They need to sell you something instead.

it's like sites like this: https://www.manuelsweb.com/ THIS is what the internet used to be like. personal sites that just had links and posts about whatever was special in someones life.

[-] Cherry@piefed.social 18 points 2 months ago

It used to be so much fun mooching around and stumbling on things, like a site covered in rainbows that told you about a the best walks on a local mountain and then had a random ice cream recipe and some happy person taking a silly photo of themselves, followed by a review of their fav spoon and some instructions on how to fix a vacuum.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Same, taught myself HTML over a summer in high school. Literally went to a library and printed out a tutorial I found on the Internet.

I will say though, if you haven't heard of it, there's a small movement to get back to more organic web content. There's the Fediverse for social media that isn't algorithmically-weighted. There's NeoCities for web pages. There's Mojeek and Marginalia for search. (Marginalia is all non-commercial, so its search index is interesting.)

There's still a lot of good out there.

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Check out wiby.me for old-school stuff too. Clicking on 'surprise me...' is my favorite way to "surf the web" in modern times.

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[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

You kinda are yelling at the cloud, dude

[-] Toga77@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Just because people remember a measurably better time doesn't mean they're yelling at clouds.

This wasn't even that long ago.

Are you 12?

Edit: I have been regretfully informed that I have in fact, missed the joke lol.

[-] PlantJam@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

I regret to inform you that you have missed the joke.

[-] Toga77@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

Oh god.

That's hilarious lol.

Thank you internet stranger.

[-] Apocalypteroid@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago
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[-] Sxan@piefed.zip 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Arrrgh! Point 3 puts me into Hulk Smash mode.

Me: "How do I start a fire?"
Site: 2 pages of what fire is, 3 pages of how fire was discovered, a page of uses for fire, a digression on how fire has impacted þe auþor's life (which is utter fabrication as it's written by an LLM), all interspersed wiþ lighter ads, and finally an answer of "go buy a lighter".

It's internet recipes taken to an extreme, and it's all AI generated now. It is so infuriating.

[-] arotrios@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago

2nd to last paragraph:

And this isn’t some anti-AI screed — I’m all-in on agentic software engineering!

[-] inari@piefed.zip 38 points 2 months ago

To be fair the internet was already shit before 2023

[-] Rothe@piefed.social 32 points 2 months ago

Not to the extent it is now courtesy of AI.

[-] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I dunno man, in 20-23 all the ravings about Covid being fake or crafted by china and released on purpose and vaccines being a conspiracy to track you by bill gates were by almost all real people, it was pretty shitty even before ai built all the websites, all the posts, all the comments.

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[-] GottaHaveFaith@fedia.io 19 points 2 months ago

IMHO using ai to automate tasks is not the same as using ai to generate sloppy content

[-] nulluser@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

Using AI to automate tasks that could be automated with a script is awful. And if the endpoints are there for AI to trigger actions, then a simple script could use those same endpoints to do the same thing.

Using AI to help write the script? (Strong emphasis on "help") Ok, maybe in some scenarios.

But just constantly running AI to do shit is like firing up your big diesel pickup to go down the block to visit your neighbors, except in this case the diesel truck can't even be trusted to reliably take you to your neighbors every time you want to go there. There's always the chance it's going to decide to go somewhere else.

[-] magnue@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago
[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 months ago

Emdash is useful punctuation — I use it all the fucking time.

On the other hand, "it's not foo; it's bar," once a quirky rhetorical flourish, now scans lazy and sloppy as shit.

Also, swearing like a motherfucking sailor helps establish one's humanity. So fuck off. No offense. Have a lovely day!

[-] chunes@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The emdash is a much bigger sign of llm slop than the semicolon. Leave my semicolons outta this.

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[-] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 2 months ago

let's make them enjoy it less

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[-] graynk@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 2 months ago

The internet is in small communities we shitpost in along the way

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

The internet isn’t the internet anymore. It’s walled off, corporatized, and exclusionary.

The internet used to be for people.

Now it’s for profit.

[-] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

Learning about the world through 500-character snippets, or 30-second videos, is not a serious way to engage with knowledge.

Just don't consume it. Same for blogs.

It's like junk food. It's not going away, so just don't consume it.

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[-] NathanRanch@lemmy.zip 22 points 2 months ago

The undernet is growing as the overnet is bloated and dying of it's own poison.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 6 points 2 months ago

And what would the undernet be? This Lemmy here?

[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Check out Neocities, it's a revamp of the old Geocities platform.

All individual small sites, in the style of the late 90's-early 2000's web. Tons of animated gifs, sparkling cursors, hand-crafted HTML and CSS, web rings, shrines and fan pages, etc.

Very fun to just click random pages and explore, just like back in the day before search engines and algos curated our feeds and content for us.

[-] AvocadoCumToast@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

Here’s a direct link to the gallery. Scroll and blindly pick one with your finger with your ur eye closed

https://neocities.org/browse

[-] Living_Dead@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 months ago

Oh man! Its been so long since I have seen geocities like sites. This is going to be a great rabbit hole, thank you.

[-] Rolive@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

Holy shit, that sounds good and will look into it. Thanks!

[-] Sims@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago

Everything gets enshittified - Capitalised, and nothing good ever comes out of those leeches and parasites.

The Capitalist religion crushed a new global, free and open digital community landscape. Say loud and proud: 'thank you Capitalist believer', for how it looks and works today..

[-] OctopusNemeses@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Humanity may never see anything like the 90s-2000s era again. That was a distinct milieu of nearly unbound creation and discovery. Not only did corporations remained skeptical of the internet. People were highly averse to being manipulated because the internet was untrustworthy. Paradoxically that's what made the internet trustworthy. Once trust was established of course. It was a perfect mix of factors that made it a unique period in history.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago

Maybe all this bullshit is a needed step to bring back old internet

We need forums back.. the fediverse is a good start in my book.

[-] TIEPilot@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

I only enjoy very specific hobby subs\forums. Beyond that you can't find anything because all the search engines rank to by ads. Looking for a real review is a joke, its all AI\bogus.

YT is getting worse w/ all the AI slop. I just stick to my channels that again are hobby/interests I have that haven't gone AI (yet).

I haven't been on FB for over 10 years, no IG, no tic flop, or other social media because its a nightmare.

[-] RedstoneValley@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

I'm not encouraging you to use YouTube, but if you do, marking stuff you aren't interested in and removing every slop video from your watch history can help a lot. The YouTube algorithm very rarely recommends slop to me

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[-] daggermoon@piefed.world 10 points 2 months ago

Can we make a new internet?

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 15 points 2 months ago

We here on the fediverse are currently trying to build it.

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[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

I hope that we’ll collectively decide that it’s rude to pass off LLM writing as your own, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

We won’t unless we stop the source perpetuating this “culture.”

Big Tech.

Unfortunately, they kinda have a grip on everyone’s information sphere, so I think our chances are low :(

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's a good post, I agree with it. And I guess The Pale is a good description of what we are noticing.

I got to experience the internet before it became like this, so at least I have memories of greatness. But the desire for great profits ruins everything. Not only the internet but the world.

Greed for excessive amounts of money is the root of evil, the bible got that right. But humans are not aware enough to see a future where greed is not the driving force of society.

[-] Allero@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago

~~Humans~~ billionaires are not aware enough

[-] magnue@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

The only thing that feels akin to early internet to me is the chat in video games. I miss being able to moderate things with my own brain thx.

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[-] Octavio@piefed.social 6 points 2 months ago

Me either. Feels weird to be complaining about it on the internet though. It's almost like the solution is self-evident. Oh, well. It'll come to me.

[-] Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I've long thought that we need a web 3.0 that uses a different protocol entirely and is techie and difficult like getting on bbs'es was in the 80s . For a good 20 years until that one gets enshitified too we have another chance.

[-] ARealAlaskan@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 months ago

Check out project Gemini:

https://geminiprotocol.net/

"Gemini is a new internet technology supporting an electronic library of interconnected text documents. That's not a new idea, but it's not old fashioned either. It's timeless, and deserves tools which treat it as a first class concept, not a vestigial corner case. Gemini isn't about innovation or disruption, it's about providing some respite for those who feel the internet has been disrupted enough already. We're not out to change the world or destroy other technologies. We are out to build a lightweight online space where documents are just documents, in the interests of every reader's privacy, attention and bandwidth."

No auto playing media. No cookies. Nothing tracking you. And they built it, as I understand, to be deliberately difficult to add new features to, to prevent enshittification.

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[-] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I don't know who are they, but they could just curate their online experience by looking for something that is actually organic and genuine, and drop their anchors on that.

[-] neclimdul@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Same... I tried Kagi small web which kinda promised to fix it but so far every page is a hyper-focused version of everything I hate. It somehow made it even worse.

I think it can't really solve the problem because the people that want that tight nit free and open. Internet are already retreating from engaging with whatever this is.

People have repeatedly called things "Web 3.0" but I think we've legitimately made it finally and I hate it.

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