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[–] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 55 points 1 day ago

Obligatory fuck cars

[–] Naich@piefed.world 137 points 1 day ago (9 children)

I've cycled to work and back 59 times this year, and reported 36 drivers (with video evidence from my bike) to the police, with them taking "positive action" in 34 of those cases. But yeah, it's the cyclists who are dangerous.

[–] Syndication@lemmy.today 75 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Yeah I think the main problem isn't the cyclists themselves, it's that cyclists don't have a safe place ride without getting ran over. Cyclists shouldn't be a problem to drivers in the first place if they had their own lane or space. I'm lucky to live somewhere that has bike lanes and sidewalks on most streets. America strangely lacks basic infrastructure in a vast majority of their country. It really sucks ass if you have a fear of driving :(

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Agreed. My bike is egregiously visible. I put over a hundred reflectors on her (no that's not hyperbole, there are a hundred spokeys and then some) and then lights and a flag, and it's all very bright.

No one sensible wants to hit you when you're out riding, so when you make yourself easy to see, they react accordingly. I've only had a couple shitass drivers who tried to kill me while out driving in the last year. Maybe it's my locale, maybe it's my loud bike, maybe I'm lucky and the local gangs are looking out for me as a favor for keeping my mouth shut that one time (I asked that they keep my bike and my friends' bikes from being stolen as my favor and bikes stopped getting stolen in town). idk.

[–] Naich@piefed.world 54 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Cyclists aren't a "problem" any more than traffic lights or stop signs are. Drivers should be able to deal with having to slow down a bit for a few seconds without getting upset about it. If you saw a driver shouting out of his window at a traffic light you'd think they were insane.

[–] proudblond@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

To be fair, if I saw a driver shouting out their window at a bicyclist, I’d also think they were insane (and a monumental asshole).

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah I think the main problem isn't the cyclists themselves, it's that cyclists don't have a safe place ride without getting ran over.

Meaning that, as usual, cars are the problem.

[–] thebestaquaman@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bike or walk pretty much everywhere I go, so my take on roads and traffic is that they're usually far too car-centric (Norway). Even when I drive, I'm so used to thinking like a cyclist that I become very aware of how poorly roads are often designed around biking.

With that said... The amount of cyclists with an apparent death wish is just staggering. Just two days ago I passed a cyclist in an 80 km/h zone. No issue there. Just around the next turn, I caught up to a second cyclist that I couldn't immediately pass due to oncoming traffic. I'm behind this second cyclist, going downhill at maybe 50 km/h, with oncoming traffic on a relatively narrow road, when I notice that the first cyclist has caught up to us. Instead of placing himself behind me, he decided it was a brilliant idea to squeeze himself into the ≈ 1.5 m gap between me (a 6m long, 2-ton car going at 50 km/h) and the guard rail. At this point, I'm just sitting here terrified that I'll end up accidentally squeezing him into the guard rail and killing him if I happen to move a couple centimeters too close to the edge of the road. I'm seriously afraid of breaking to let him in front of me, because I'm afraid he could hit my side-view mirror if I break unexpectedly (for him). There's oncoming traffic, so I can't move over to give him more space.

To be honest, even when I'm biking myself I far too often find other cyclists to be absolute assholes with no respect for traffic rules. Of course, this doesn't apply to everyone (by a long shot), but man those people cause the rest of us a lot of stress by being a danger to themselves and others.

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[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You live in a country where the police actually does something on these cases?

[–] Naich@piefed.world 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Luckily, yes. There's a web page where you fill in the details, you upload the footage and then they actually do something about it. Options for "positive action" are:

  • Letter - which has the same status as a police warning, i.e. no action taken at the time but it can be used against you later if you go to court for something similar
  • Points and fine with the option of taking a driving education course instead
  • Points and a fine with no alternative
  • Sent to court

All these can be appealed. Interestingly, I once spoke to one of the people who processes the cases. He said that the drivers don't get to see the video footage unless they say they want to appeal. Then they see the footage and almost all of them drop it.

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[–] irate944@piefed.social 83 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

Living in a big Dutch city. Cyclists just be like: I have to be careful not to hit any more dumb suicidal tourists. For fuck sake, I have had to repair my bike twice this week already.

And in these modern times everyone needs to be careful of young kids on fat bikes.

[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fuckin' tourists. Get off the fietspad! And I wish they would just say no e-bikes for under-16.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, plus no fat bikes at all!

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Why no fat tires? I'm thinking about getting some just because they look easier to maintain

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

Then get one at the black market because then you pay what they are worth. Also, they are perfect if you like to maintain your bike, as you have to do it often. They break down often, especially breaks. Easy to maintain? No. Lots of sensor errors, software issues, etc. It's fancy looking (well, I find them ugly AF) Chinese junk which have increased accidents exponentially since they arrived on the market. Next to that they are getting banned now, with Amsterdam as a first banning them at certain places. They also want to change regulations to make helmets mandatory for them and raise the minimum age.

Want an electric bike? Get a non-smart one. No Vanmoof or anything like that. They are junk (I had one, they are awful and insanely overpriced).

Best advice I can give you is a Gazelle or similar brand, with a Bosch middle motor (so not in the wheels, as they suck). They are easy to maintain, don't have weird electronics hidden in impossible places, no smart mullshit which requires an app or the bike won't work, normal commercial off the shelf parts you can get anywhere.

[–] meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

why would they be easier to maintain?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Because they should get fewer flats. Larger surface area and all that.

[–] Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago

That mKes it more likely to get flats though.

[–] meekah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Meaning more surface area to hit something sharp. Yeah the larger area means lower pressure on the contact surface but I don't think that's the deciding factor in whether something punctures your tire. Best way to prevent punctures is tougher tires rather than larger ones. The lower pressure just helps with stuff like loose gravel or sand.

[–] TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

There are also puncture self repairing tires now. They have a gel like layer on the inside which gets pushed out into the hole sealing it. I have them and haven't had a flat in over 5 years.

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[–] ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

angry boomer noises

[–] CheerfulPassionFruit@lemmy.world 62 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Gosh, almost as if cyclists need safe spaces to ride. How about we just drastically reduce the number of 2 ton deathmachines on the roads.

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[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago (6 children)

My issue is if you want to bike in the streetlike a car, then you have to obey car rules. Like stopping at stop lights and stop signs. If you want to ride on the sidewalk then you have to obey pedestrian rules, like crossing at the correct times. Thr number of cyclists I've seen blow through stop signs and stop lights is staggering.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

You say that, but drivers would lose their minds bicyclists followed the same rules. Example: Taking the whole lane.

[–] NathanRanch@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wish bikes just took the whole lane like a car. Half assing it either way is really the problem.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't disagree, but the reason we don't is because of the intense road rage it causes in drivers.

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[–] Archimedes@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Man, it's almost as if we need a third thing. A sort of, road for bicycles (or long, skinny concentration camp, if you prefer) which is suited to bicycling without getting in the way. Get those bloody cyclists off our roads and footpaths, those are for us!

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

A significant portion of accidents involving cyclists is from others not paying enough attention to them - which can be mitigated by proper bike infrastructure.

Unfortunately we cannot mitigate the recklessness of cyclists this way, another big contributor to the accident statistics.

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[–] markz@suppo.fi 30 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I do occasionally see a kamikaze cyclist while driving. But damn am I more afraid on bike.

I don't know if the drivers don't see me from their phones or if they just don't care even about their cars' paint.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Many drivers don’t even notice a semi truck near them, you think they will notice a bike?

You have to remember, the average driver is a moron.

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[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As much as I am all for the de-car-ification of my country, cyclist really aren't doing themselves any favors.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Bullshit. Cyclists obey the rules of the road at greater rates than drivers. It's just that you expect drivers to behave like entitled dipshits, so their lawbreaking is less visible.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So much to dissect here

First: drive(cycle) predictively, not politely.

Second: I just left a comment about not liking car culture(go on, check my profile. I'm not lying.)

Third:I don't expect anything! I get into the other lane if there is a cyclist. But go on, tell me more about myself.

[–] SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Oh, I did do that, didn't I? Crap. I meant it in the general-you sense. But still, cyclists obey the law more often than drivers when researchers do objective counts.

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[–] criss_cross@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I’ve never once seen a cyclist stop at a stop sign. Even into oncoming traffic they just ignore them and hope for the best.

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[–] frog@feddit.uk 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Living in Manhattan for decades, I only had 3 issues with cyclists. I've had dozens with drivers. I had no issues with skateboarders.

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