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edit because I am getting pushback at Germany being at fault here, here is some context.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/10/un-experts-urge-germany-halt-criminalisation-and-police-violence-against

During the past months, Palestine solidarity protesters in Berlin have been reportedly subjected to police violence, leaving some injured and requiring medical care. Dozens were reportedly arrested, some for simply chanting “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”. This slogan is widely used by the global Palestine solidarity movement yet has been treated by German authorities as expressing support for Hamas, the experts noted. While some courts upheld fines or bans deeming the slogan as “condoning violence”, other courts recognised it as protected under freedom of expression. Moreover, the experts expressed concern that, during protests marking the two-year anniversary of the 7 October Hamas-led attack and the subsequent genocide in Gaza, arbitrary arrests, detentions, and police violence were reported, including officers punching non-violent activists in the face; while the police in Berlin reportedly imposed a last-minute ban on protests without evidence-based justification.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/europe-and-central-asia/western-central-and-south-eastern-europe/germany/report-germany/

In February, Berlin police ordered that speeches and slogans at a Palestinian solidarity demonstration be conveyed in German and English only. When protesters chanted in Hebrew and Arabic at a demonstration on 8 February, the protest was immediately violently dispersed by police.

In March, at a peaceful protest in Berlin, a woman was repeatedly hit in the face and on the head by a police officer. Similar violence by police officers was documented during protests on Nakba Day as well as at the Internationalist Queer Pride event in Berlin in July.

In February, the Christian Democratic Union Party led a parliamentary inquiry into the financing of civil society organizations. The inquiry consisted of 551 questions, aimed at assessing the political neutrality of state-funded organizations, particularly those campaigning against racism and for migrant rights. It thereby put such organizations under general suspicion.

On 20 March, the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled as unlawful the use of pain-compliance holds by the police to remove peaceful climate protesters from a previously dispersed gathering.

In March, the Berlin immigration authorities notified four foreign – EU and US – nationals of the termination of their residency status due to their involvement in student protests in support of Palestinians in 2024. None were convicted of any criminal charges. Leaked correspondence indicated that the Berlin Ministry of the Interior had pressured the immigration authorities to deport the four. All the cases were successfully challenged in preliminary proceedings and the deportations temporarily halted.

In May, following a Nakba commemoration protest, the Berlin Police claimed that an officer had been seriously injured at the hands of demonstrators. This allegation was used by police spokespeople, the mayor and the federal minister of interior to demand new police powers against protesters acting in solidarity with Palestinians. However, an independent investigation later discovered that the police officer had injured himself while beating protesters.

On 26 November the Administrative Court of Berlin ruled that the dissolution of a pro-Palestine conference in 2024 had been unlawful.

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/carr-ryan/our-work/carr-ryan-commentary/singular-crime-double-duty-germany-israel-and

A state that grounds its legitimacy in universalizable norms cannot coherently say that the burdens produced by its special responsibility to Jews may simply fall on those who happened to live in the territory where the Jewish homeland was established—a land Jews had long regarded as their ancestral home. To avoid offloading the costs of its own past to others, Germany bears not only general human-rights duties to Palestinians, but also particular duties of non-complicity, protection, and repair toward them.

At this stage, I find these broader implications of the German responsibility toward Israel insufficiently reflected in German politics, and painfully so. But generational changes seem to be in the process of changing German attitudes in this direction.

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[-] lemmysmash@piefed.social 25 points 1 week ago

Authorities also say the association denied ‘Israel’s’ right to exist and publicly endorsed the events of October 7.

If confirmed, these seem like pretty valid reasons for a ban to me.

[-] decolo@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

You feel israel has a specific right to exist?

[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That‘s the insane part. Because German law seems to be arguing nations have a fundamental right to exists by international law when they actually don‘t. There is no such international law. If there was German reunification would‘ve been impossible because no matter how many people approve of it, East Germany‘s right to exist would have to be respected regardless. That‘s of course not how nations work whatsoever. If people decide to dissolve a state it can be done. The nation has no fundamental right to exists. Not by international law.

[-] JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org 6 points 1 week ago

It's a country recognized by the UN that has existed since 1948 full of people that really think of it as a country. So why shouldn't it have a right to exist?

[-] decolo@piefed.social 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Should Rhodesia also have a right to exist?

I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think the state has a right to exist. The people living there I will advocate for but states have the same moral weight as a corporation.

I don't even think the USA has a right to exist.

[-] pastermil@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 week ago

Because Palestine doesn't seem to have that right, despite already being there long before 1948.

[-] thesdev@feddit.org 12 points 1 week ago

Why should Palestine-sympathizers care about international law when Israel and its allies don't feel the need to do the same? (I'm talking about Netanyahu being a war criminal that carpet-bombs cities using American and German weapons). Heck I saw a clip of German foreign minister comparing breaking international law to driving above speed limit.

[-] Don_alForno@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago

It has the same right to exist as Palestine.

[-] Lemmynated@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

No it doesn’t, it’s a colonial settler state that invaded Palestine and commits genocide.

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[-] CosmoNova@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

But when Nazi parties in Germany spread antisemitism it‘s happy little accidents, eh? Blind on the right eye as usual.

[-] Ooops@feddit.org 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

...highlighting remarks made by a prominent member who described the 7 October attacks on Israel as a "successful resistance action"
...spread antisemitic positions, denied the right of the State of Israel to exist, and disseminated corresponding propaganda publicly
...calling for [...] the "liberation of all of historical Palestine from Zionist occupation, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea"

So let's correct the headline to:

German state bans "pro-Palestine" group over antisemitism

[-] birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is no right of a state to exist, only of a people to exist.

No god, no masters. States are a tool for repression.

The Israeli government is fascist and the German government is complicit in genocide. Speak up! Speak out against the Nakba, against fascism, and for liberation of all people from apartheid, reactionarism, and hatred!

[-] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

It also must be emphasized that saying "Israel has no fundamental right to exist" does not mean that jews living in Israel do not have a right to exist, or live in Israel, what it means is that the theological/ethnic identity of the COUNTRY of Israel that brutally excludes the humanity of others (including christians) living in Israel who aren't jews, has no special right to exist as a political mechanism.

Countries are political constructions, they have no right to exist and they do not represent the identity of the people who live in said countries. People, countries and religion are THREE DISCRETE CONCEPTS.

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[-] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

No one should be supporting terrorism by Hamas against Israeli civilians (from the quote it sounds like that is the position of an individual rather than the group at large), just as no one should be supporting Israeli terrorism against Palestinian civilians.

In terms of the second point, pointing out that Israel is a settler colonial state is anti-Zionist, not antisemitic; the issue of Northern Ireland falls into the same category.

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[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

Always on the wrong side of history

[-] HieroProtagonist@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Well... I would say you are only on the wrong side of history if you lose...

[-] huppakee@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

Someone should ban Germany for anti-palistinianism /s

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 6 points 1 week ago

Previously they also expelled some EU citizens that lived in Germany for some years because of their participation at Palestine protests. That is pretty fash

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 4 points 1 week ago

Didn't these people storm and vandalize a university?

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

https://www.dw.com/en/eu-us-citizens-face-deportation-from-germany/a-72142014

Apparently they weren't convicted for that.

According to lawyer Gorski, his clients are being accused of "indirectly supporting Hamas and spreading antisemitism."

Expelled for wrongthink essentially.

[-] DdCno1@beehaw.org 1 points 6 days ago

Supporting terrorists and spreading antisemitism are rightfully illegal in Germany. It's not "wrongthink".

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

From the article I didn't get it that they did just that.

[-] HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Boy I can't wait for Canada to join the EU.

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