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[-] culprit@lemmy.ml 276 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Jury Nullification is like the secret code of the US justice system.That's why most of the people that work for the system absolutely despised the whole idea.

[-] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The us justice system is already fucked up and makes a joke of the term justice.

[-] greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo 13 points 1 month ago

I mean, if it wasn't packaged up in the American flag and pax americana, your nations actions would be that of clearly terrorist nation.

I don't expect the taliban to have a working legal/justice system either.

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[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 month ago

Though this happened with the grand jury, which only needs a majority vote (sometimes a supermajority). It means a lot of people chose to nullify or didn't trust the prosecution to give a fair trial.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 20 points 1 month ago

Any justice system actually. Common law especially though.

[-] bedwyr@piefed.ca 18 points 1 month ago

Common Law is better than codified law. That's the only reason we have juries and don't just let judges decide the fate of the accused. Can you imagine, in this country, judges the sole decider of your case?

The reason that the UK and US have had such cuntish law enforcement is not because of english common law. It should be noted the UK cancelled some of common law's basic tenants, like the right to a jury trial, not only afforded to indictable offenses, any crime with less than 3 years imprisonment is decided by their famously haughty aristocratic judges now.

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[-] diablexical@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago

It can cut both ways though, it was used in the South in favor of racists.

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[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 137 points 1 month ago
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[-] BooBees@fedinsfw.app 93 points 1 month ago

Probably because he was with some of them trading Pokémon cards at the time, couldn’t have been him, everyone has a doppelgänger

[-] fluffykittycat@slrpnk.net 23 points 1 month ago

Come to think of it, how accurately can facial recognition tell apart to people who look very similar?

[-] cecilkorik@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 month ago

Zero. Zero accurately. They don't even talk about it, because they don't care. The arbitrary cruelty is a bonus feature.

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[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 82 points 1 month ago

That whole "a good prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich" was when you could pull your jurors out of a citizen pool that didn't walk in already believing you were lying through your fucking teeth.

But then they pulled the mask off, and let us all see how they are using the courts for vindictive prosecution and political harassment.

Looks like the ham sammich days are ending, lol.

[-] bedwyr@piefed.ca 34 points 1 month ago

I just heard about a prosecutor that didn't get all of his indictments and then sent the jurors that voted against him home and replaced them. That and other stuff, they aren't even pretending to follow the rules, they think everything is more openly corrupt than it is yet.

But anyway, the courts threw out like 200 indictments because this prick prosecutor didn't think he had to follow the rules/didn't know or care what the rules were.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 month ago

The Department of Justice has been doing stuff like that a lot since the Trump administration, to the point that they lost presumption of regularity (the assumption in advance that state actors are being honest and following the rules in good faith). There were so many prosecutions that were clearly directed by the White House and were vindictive persecutions of political enemies that the judges just stopped believing anyone from DoJ.

It didn't help that all the honest prosecutors in DoJ resigned when they were ordered to do something unlawful, resulting in massive brain drain. All the rehires are unskilled if not incompetent, and sometimes they issue legal statements that sound like a Truth Social post.

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Holy shit. That's some arrogance right there, thinking no one would ever know or find out. Grand juries are secret, but they're not THAT secret.

they think everything is more openly corrupt than it is yet.

You nailed it.

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[-] Ranjr@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago

They always bring up that quote about being able to indict a ham sandwich but they never specify the charges.

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago

Also doesn't apply if that's ham as in cop.

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[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 55 points 1 month ago

For once, the law was working.

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[-] COASTER1921@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 month ago

I imagine all cases prosecuted for destruction of networked Flock and Axios cameras are going to struggle to get through a jury. It's a clear privacy violation and everyone knows it.

[-] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago

While you are right, there are almost no laws in the US that protect privacy. Short of being in your own home with the blinds down, there is next to nothing working in your favor. The assumption is that you're in "public" or clear view of the public, thusly, screw you.

Your pool? Clear view from the road. That douchenozzle with a drone, probably not breaking the law when he takes a video flying over. "Oh, I was looking at my own roof" or some bullshit.

There should be privacy laws. The world has changed so much, but most laws are stuck in the stone age and now sold to the highest bidder who actively monetizes the complete lack of privacy laws.

In the US, you can look up TONS of details about anyone's house. From the sale price, the tax history, tons of details about it and even photos of the inside. In what normal world does that make sense?! Your employer sells your salary data to ADP who then sells it to any number of others. What the actual fuck?! Nobody asked for this, it's opt-out only but the opt out expires. I did it a few years ago, and it's back on again.

If privacy were not important, then there should not be bathroom doors.

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[-] MrGeneric@lemmy.today 50 points 1 month ago

Looks like Flock is back on the menu!

[-] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago

You know what, the people are alright.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Of course they didn't indict him.

I was having ribs with this dude. Couldn't have been him.

[-] Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world 38 points 1 month ago

I believe the grand jury system is working as intended

[-] bedwyr@piefed.ca 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

For once yes. Grand Juries at the time of the Constitution were a safeguard against arbitrary and unjust prosecutions. The rulers have since changed what a grand jury is to make it the opposite, a tool of the prosecutors.

Luckily the prosecutors for this administration are so arrogant and incompetent they haven't been able to maintain that facade of trustworthiness which the masses still afford to dickheads in suits with position.

Of course the judges are so bad it often doesn't matter, especially when it's in a shitholy jurisdiction, like those protesters at the Texas Ice that got kangarooed by their dipshit hanging judge down there under preposterous, blatantly unconstitutional charges, cancelling the 1st amendment.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago

Curiously, when I was drafted into jury duty here in California, we were shown a video that said something like The people are society's last line of defense against bad law.

I took it personally, figuring it was my duty to not enforce any law that was unjust or protect any institution that was cruel. But I didn't get selected.

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[-] ActualGrapesTasteGreen@piefed.zip 36 points 1 month ago

Coulda, woulda, shoulda been Luigi too

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That case is way too political. Common sense has gone out of the window there.

Every time they ever move him around every cop in the area always seems to need to be involved. It's not like he's accused of slaughtering an entire precinct with nothing but his bare hands or anything, supposedly he shot one person with a gun that he obviously no longer has. I'm really not sure why they treat him as Hannibal lecter.

[-] deliriousdreams@fedia.io 26 points 1 month ago

To convince the public he's guilty. It's one of the ways they skew the narrative.

Remember in the movie "SWAT" where that mobster guy who entered the country illegally to kill the one guy and then offered money to get him out? That's Hollywood doing their part to put the idea in our minds that this kind of thing is warranted.

People do want to help Luigi and that scares the shit out of them too. They expected people's moral compass to make them side with the CEO he shot. But that's not what happened. The general public is very much pro Luigi.

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[-] SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 month ago

I'm really not sure why they treat him as Hannibal lecter

Because he has the audacity to kill a capitalist, instead of a fellow poor

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[-] daychilde@lemmy.world 33 points 1 month ago

There is zero information on why they didn't indict, so I'm not celebrating until we find out why.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

It could be that the software isn't accurate enough to be evidence on its own. Similar to how identifying someone in a lineup is notoriously inaccurate. They may be able to use it for probably cause in a search warrant, but without other supporting evidence, they may not have a case.

[-] klugerama@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

The article mentions felony charges - it could also or instead be that it was too high a bar (pun intended) to indict when it should have been a misdemeanor vandalism charge.

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[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

Saw my first one knocked over yesterday. Cheered.

[-] halezinflames@lemmus.org 32 points 1 month ago
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[-] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 28 points 1 month ago

We need to talk a LOT about Jury Nullification in this country. They are trying to weaponize the courts, and ultimately it doesn't come down to the system, or the judges, it comes down the Citizens simply saying NO.

Trials put the power into the hands of the Citizens, and we should exploit that power against our Opressors. WE will decide who gets punished in this country.

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[-] Space_Cowboy92@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

FlockHopper is a great way to see where they’re going up around you. You know, for avoiding them and NOTHING ELSE.

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[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

I looked online, and I'm kind of disappointed that there aren't any nearby where I live. I want to do my part!

[-] Abyssian@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

Holy shit. Over 40 have gone up within 4 miles of my house in the last 3 months.

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[-] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 points 1 month ago

the idea of a grand jury is also crazy, basically they just decide wether to charge someone or not, not even a regular jury to determine if they are guilty or not. i heard getting called to GJ is worst than regular, because it can last alot longer.

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[-] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 12 points 1 month ago

On the subject of Flock…

These are “autonomous deputies?” But uh, where is every single warrant for every plate they catch on a car? The plate may be public property, but the vehicle is not. Sure, maybe a bank has a lien due to a loan, but it’s still private property. This is some serious 4th Amendment violation because I have seen 0 warrant for any of these unwarranted searches.

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