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submitted 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) by DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world to c/justpost@lemmy.world

Prompted by: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/2025/11/naked-locker-room-end/684907/

Today, the only naked bodies that many Americans will likely ever see are their own, a partner’s, or those on a screen. Gone are our unvarnished points of physical comparison—the ordinary, unposed figures of other people. In their place, we’re left with the curated ideals of social-media posts, AI-generated advertising, and pornography. The loss may seem trivial, but it also may change how people see themselves. Without exposure to the normal variety of bodies, we may become less comfortable with our own, more likely to mistake common characteristics for flaws—and more inclined to see every bare body as an inherently sexual object, making nudity even more charged.

I'm 60. I was in U.S. public grade school in the 70s and early 80s.

Starting in Junior High, which was grades seven and eight, we were all required to take Physical Education (P.E.) classes, and we were all required to change into P.E. uniforms. The dress code for the school otherwise was minimal.

We changed in the locker room in front of each other, that meant we were nude in front of each other. This was true for girls and boys, of course, we had separate locker rooms.

Furthermore, after class, we were required to shower, which we also did together.

For both junior high and high school it was very much like this. Rows of lockers and open showers at one end. There were high windows along the ceiling to let the steam out.:

It took two or three days for everyone to get comfortable with being nude in front of each other, and that was the end of the problem. It was a small hump to get over, and everyone did, easily. By the end of the week we were all goofing around naked in the shower, like you may have seen in movies or wherever.

I'm curious about your experiences, and whether you think it's harmful or beneficial for kids to be forced to get nude in front of each other for this purpose.

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[-] RebekahWSD@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Early 2000s for high school. We had showers but unless you were in the semester where you used the pool, no one used the showers. You had no time at all. Not that I'd have wanted to. Undiagnosed autistic, having to wear clothes over a slightly wet body world have been a nightmare. It was during swimming semester.

[-] natecox@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

I have kids in high school and I'm told that they are no longer allowed to shower after PE. That just seems so wrong to me.

We're so uncomfortable with normal, nonsexual nudity that we are letting teenagers stew in their own filth after working out.

Make it make sense.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago

I used to have a skin tag on my nipple, it looked like a third nipple. I tried to get out of changing in front of others, but they made me. Merciless bullying ensued, it was already pretty bad because of neurodivergence differences. My home life was abusive so I never got a break. If this were still a thing, I would do everything I could to prevent it from happening to my kids. People got bullied about birthmarks, baby fat, you know how kids are, any excuse. That is not an environment to throw vulnerable children into.

[-] Meatwagon@piefed.blahaj.zone 29 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

We didn't have time to shower. Our under garments always stayed on. Not a single person ever showered.

Edit: Anecdotal, but my mom grew up in the same decade as you, but she's the most body negative person I know. She even harps on people just for not wearing a bra.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I don't think your mom's negativity has anything to do with possibly being made to shower in front of other girls. Have you asked her about it?

[-] Meatwagon@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago

My point was that showering with other girls did nothing to improve her body positivity like OP suggested, not that it caused her to be so negative.

We had this at my school too!… However they never actually gave us time to truly change or shower, so we just changed shirts and moved on to our next class smelling like shit

[-] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

Thank GOD I’m pretty sure no one used it in any of my classes. We were all required to have deodorant, though it was not enforced

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago
[-] fishy@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago

IDK why you're getting downvoted, that shit was absolutely rampant at my HS circa 2004.

[-] Malyca@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 day ago

I have someone downvoting everything I post 🤷

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

My kid told me everyone changed in the toilet stalls. I guess they had time to do that.

[-] toynbee@piefed.social 8 points 2 days ago

Holy hell, those shower poles were real?

[-] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I used them in high school in 2011 lol

[-] davidgro@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Still are at my local public pool, but there's only two of them. (In the men's shower room at least)

[-] DrBob@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 days ago

Same age and similar experience. We basically grew up without body shame. So yes I will walk around naked and drop my towel to put on underwear.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

why are you changing your underwear for PE?

[-] Thorry@feddit.org 14 points 2 days ago

Sweaty balls

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Boys were required to wear jock straps, and weren't allowed to wear briefs under them. B.O. is my guess. But, also, as I said, we showered together so we didn't wear underwear in the shower, either, of course.

It wasn't a problem after the first couple of days. We just got used to it. Not a big deal at all.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

being required to wear different underwear (jockstraps) makes sense to then change them

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 0 points 2 days ago
[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

i understand why you needed to change.

[-] socsa@piefed.social -2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because the whole thing was a weird grooming ritual. The whole "locker room culture" shit was considered some critical part of manhood. This is incidentally why conservatives are obssesed with the idea of grooming children now, because they invented the concept.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world -2 points 1 day ago

Not a "critical part of manhood". But, an important step to self-acceptance and understanding. This goes back to antiquity, it was not "invented by conservatives."

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's always conservatives normalizing pederasty and pretending they're not even a little bit gay. You got groomed.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

wow. so different than mine. showers were seperated and there were benches between the lockers. Everyone sorta change quickly and often did not shower. No one wanted to be naked that much in front of the other kids. Had to go through the shower area to get to the pool and the teachers required a shower coming into the pool area but that just meant you had to be wet. Many showered in their swimsuit. Teachers had a whole talk on good shower hygenie but it did not move most of the students.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

You can just make out the end of one bench in the picture with orange lockers. It's just the angle the picture was taken from. Our pool rules were similar, but since everyone had been acclimated to showering nude from day one, they did the same after pool lessons.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

oh I think a lot of people did not do it after. the rule was shower before so you had to show up with wet hair and skin. Again though people quickly changed into the bathing suit. with regular gym wear you could keep your underwear on.

[-] TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago

I think nudism is great, but it shouldn't be forced on people

I'm fairly comfortable being nude now, it's more society that stops me than internal pressures, but if I'd been forced to be naked in my school years it would have made me very dysphoric, and there are still things I'd be dysphoric about in certain contexts these days, so the people involved would make a big difference.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world -4 points 2 days ago

We make kids do a lot of things they don't want to do, because we know it's good for them, and we know it's just irrational fear that stops them. Why is this any different? Here's one: public speaking. That caused much more anxiety than changing for P.E. for a lot of kids.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

10-20% of the population is LGBT in some manner. The idea of forcing kids to change in front of each other comes from a world where we had not problem assuming everyone was straight. That's why it was no big deal for boys to see other boys naked and girls to see other girls naked. But it's not 1950 anymore. And just like traditionally we wouldn't force girls to change in front of guys, we shouldn't force kids to change in front of other kids they might be attracted to or those who may have attraction to them. Plus the gendered changing rooms cause all sorts of issues for trans kids.

It's a whole lot of headache for very little benefit. Putting kids through that much trauma just isn't worth it because, in the abstract, it might be ideal if kids were more comfortable with their bodies.

"Force all the kids to get naked around each other" only works if you ignore the 20% of kids that aren't straight or cis.

[-] despoticruin@anarchist.nexus 6 points 2 days ago

This is still reinforcing the idea that sexual attraction is intrinsically linked to nudity, as well as just excusing inappropriate behavior by altering the environment instead of the actual behavior. Putting aside the gender and sexuality debate entirely, because I want it to be clear that showering is a practical matter and shouldn't be sexualized in the first place, body positivity begins and ends with people accepting themselves and ending the bullying and teasing is a completely different discussion.

People have been completely ignoring the practical aspect of this whole thing this whole thread, BO is a serious problem for people after exercise. Not a lot of schools have the space or resources to have individual shower stalls. Plumbing is expensive, those post showers are a single water hookup and a single drain for 6-10 showers versus one each for stalls.

We do need to address issues regarding acceptance as a society, but introducing strawmen just ignores the issue at hand.

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Oh, now you don't want to link sex and nudity? On the one hand, you intrinsically link sex with nudity when you separate changing rooms by sex. That's the entire reason we have separate changing rooms. And then on the other hand, when I point out that this creates real issues for 20% of the population, you had waive it away saying those vitally important issues can be just dismissed out of hand, crassly dismissing the needs of 20% of the population as "a straw man."

You need to check your privilege.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

On the one hand, you intrinsically link sex with nudity when you separate changing rooms by sex.

Connecting sex to nudity is not natural. I didn't choose to separate changing rooms by sex. It would be better if they weren't, for the reason you imply.

Young kids have no problem being naked in front of each other. But, we unnaturally connect sex to nudity, they get that message their whole life, when puberty hits and they start to understand sex, that's where the embarrassment comes in.

You're absolutely correct, connecting sex to nudity is the deeper problem. It all goes away if we'd stop doing this, even for the 20% of the population you mention.

But, we're going in the wrong direction. We're making the whole thing worse, not better.

[-] fishy@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

Agreed, my wife is not from the US and doesn't have the stigma of nudity being inherently sexual. It's a trip when she just whips out a tit to feed our baby anywhere, my inner American cringes but my rational side knows that what she's doing is natural and right.

[-] despoticruin@anarchist.nexus 0 points 1 day ago

I didn't even mention separate changing rooms. You need to go fuck yourself.

[-] Hello_there@fedia.io 7 points 2 days ago

Showers never worked. People just changed out of gym clothes and back into normal. Lots of body spray.

[-] logi@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

That's absolutely disgusting

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 7 points 2 days ago

Back in the early 2000s when I was in middle/high school there was never enough time after PE to both take a shower and get to your next class if you wanted to. There was barely enough time to change back into regular clothes.

7 minute passing period between classes.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I think the passing period is down to 5 minutes, or less in some schools, now. That's ridiculous. I suppose the idea is if the kids need to run to class, then they don't have time to cause trouble. Rather than, you know, fostering an environment of love, trust, and support to reduce the urge to cause trouble in the first place.

This post is empty now, so I'll say it. When capitalists run the world, empathy is lost. They treat everyone as a burden and enemy to their personal goals, they see us as unavoidable, interchangeable, expendable nuisances. Love, trust, and support is not even on the table as a solution. The carrot is gone, there is only the stick. Zero empathy for anyone, including their own children. Fuck the filthy rich capitalists.

[-] cmoney@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Early 90's I had to change for gym class. I've also been to clothing optional campgrounds, to me nudity isn't harmful at all. If anything social nudity would be beneficial.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

My family spent two summer vacations at a nudist camp when I was about five. I don't remember much, but I do remember I didn't want to put clothes on at the end of the trip. It wasn't optional, nudity was required, clothes weren't allowed.

[-] MunkyNutts@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

When I was just entering in high school in mid 90s there was a tight knit group that would play ping pong in there. The club was called the NPPA, the naked ping pong association, they had shirts made up with the Discobolus sculpture but a paddle replaced the discus in hand.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

In the locker room shower? Wow. I've never heard of such a thing. Terrific.

[-] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 days ago

We had mandatory shower days when we got sweaty or muddy. The PE instructor actually made sure of it in the locker room. He later came out as gay. I don’t think he ever touched anyone but we were all eye molested by a pedo.

Showers at school are fine but privacy is good too.

[-] fishy@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

Being gay doesn't mean you are a pedo though. I don't know the specific circumstances, but you may be jumping to conclusions there.

[-] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

Also, my conspiratorial mind makes me think this is intentional. That those who ultimately control what is taught in U.S. public schools want people to be more anxious and less confident. Don't help kids face their fears, let those fears fester and even foster them.

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