if the US actually re elect him they're fucked
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Yup, and Trump doesn't have a choice. It's looking more and more likely that he's going to lose a lot of money and potentially face jail time. His only way out is to seize power. Since he's backed himself into a corner, he'll try everything to steal the next election, including another coup attempt.
I don't personally think it'll work, but on the slim chance it does many of us will be facing an existential threat which will require swift action. He's already publicly stated that he sees leftists as vermin which need to be eradicated, and I, for one, don't want to give him the chance to act on that threat.
Yeah and Donnie’s definition of leftist is anyone that isn’t actively deep throating his boot
Of course he has a choice.
He can choose facing the consequences of his actions.
If that's unappealing, he can also choose to, let's say, "pull an Epstein".
Let's not give him the benefit of saying this is the only "strategy" he has left, because that implies you can't blame him for trying. Like any reasonable person in his position would do the same thing.
And that's complete nonsense. He's not an animal stuck in a bear trap, he's a human being, who has been very open about his penchant for fascism long before he was charged.
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We're all fucked, not just the states
This is the “best” America can push forward, we are already fucked. We were fucked 24 years ago.
The right wing in America has been sliding further right for a long time, and tending to drag the left along with it. (Nobody is under the impression that the US "left" isn't actually center-right.) In the last decade, that rightward silde has accelerated. Trump, being the presumptive Republican nominee for president, is the "best" that the lunatic far right - not America - can push forward.
The Democratic party, representing the ~~left~~ center-right, is no longer allowing itself to be dragged further right. And there remains a fairly large proportion of people who still call themselves Republicans who oppose the burgeoning fascism. Those are the people who feel politically homeless right now; they just need someplace to go and someone to vote for. Liz Cheney is floating a third party run, and I think she's easily able to consolidate "sane conservative" support.
I was predicting that the Republican party would split back in 2015. I had no idea they would drag on like this for so long.
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We were fucked 24 years ago.
Exactly: that's when the first coup (the Brooks Brothers Riot) succeeded.
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You can only become a dictator one time, after that you are a dictator.
So he'll only "become" a dictator on day one, the rest of his life hell just be a dictator.
And let's not entertain the fantasy that his heath will catch up to him sooner rather than later, remember he has access to better healthcare than 99% of the population and it's entirely state funded.
We'll be stuck with him for at least a decade, but I wonder who will inherit the throne when he's gone?
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Has there ever been a dictator who relinquished power after "fixing" things? Yeah guys, I'm going to need some extra judicial powers and have the military become my personal army, but it's just temporary, I swear.
Yes, the original roman ones. This is the origin of the word. They were appointed for emergencies with a lot of power.
They all gave up their position after a while except for Caesar. When Caesar was appointed as a lifelong dictator, he was shortly after assassinated by most members of the senate. But the turmoil led to the Roman Empire not being "democratic" anyway.
Slight correction, he wasn't assassinated by most of the senate. There were about 60 conspirators out of 200-300, and only a dozen or so actually participated in the assassination (and only 5 actually confirmed to have stabbed him while still alive). Regardless, it's still true that they came to that conclusion after Caesar was declared dictator for life and started taking away senate power
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Despite his relatively old age, [Cincinnatus] worked his own small farm until an invasion prompted his fellow citizens to call for his leadership. He came from his plough to assume complete control over the state but, upon achieving a swift victory in only 16 days, relinquished his power and its perquisites and returned to his farm.
The original office of dictator as defined in the Roman Republic was exactly that,
It was literally the office of "we have tried literally everything else and still have a problem, you there, you seem like a not idiot person, you can do basically anything you want for the next six months or until you solve the problem, after that we'll make cool statues of you if you do a good job."
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"It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I love democracy. I love the Republic. Once this crisis has abated, I will lay down the powers you have given me!"
--Chancellor Palpatine
Ah yes, the "just the tip" of fascism.
Lol and his fans are still totally fine with him saying dangerous crap like his. It's unbelievable.
Why wouldn't they be fine with it? A dictatorship is exactly what those traitors genuinely want.
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That's because they like the idea of a Trump dictatorship. They simply assume they'd be on the side that's going to do the dictating.
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You know your country is a failure when the perpetrator of a previous coup attempt is allowed to run for office again like nothing happened.
Can you use those 2A rights to defend against tyranny anytime soon or does that only cover school shootings and gang violence?
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Slaps knee
Both sides, am I right? /s
He will be worse than last time.
Yeah the fact that he doesn't have a lawful reelection to consider is concerning. Also concerning when you think about the fact that he clearly thinks being the president shields him from a lot of legal ramifications.
So he doesn't have to temper his behavior to get reelected in any way. He has a shitload of grudges. Pursuing those grudges would likely be various shades of illegal. He thinks staying in office will protect him from the consequences of his actions. That is a recipe for a constitutional crisis if I ever saw one.
Just the tip, I swear I won't put it all the way in.
The guy who says he should be allowed to serve three terms because the Democrats supposedly obstructed his agenda? The guy who says we should re-do the 2020 election after losing? That's the guy you're going to trust to be a 1-day dictator, huh?
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Remember: Trump mocked a disabled person on national television, he raped a 13 year old girl and settled out of court, he called for all of the violence on January 6th 2021 and the overthrow of the American government's peaceful transition of power, he ordered the use of MOAB, he wasted billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars building a sham wall that hasn't kept out undocumented immigrants, he moved the American embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, he's cheated on every single wife he's ever had, he's currently charged with 91 criminal charges related to rampant tax fraud, he destroyed Atlantic City, he saluted an enemy general in North Korea, he asked for Russian hackers to perform cyberattacks on his political rivals, he illegally attempted to blackmail Zelenskyy by demanding dirt on the Bidens in exchange for military aid, he ordered law enforcement to open fire on protestors, he gave tax breaks to the rich and increased the taxes on the working class, he brags about sexual assault, and he just told everyone he will be a dictator.
Better vote for him? Don't Americans watch the news?
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It's just diet dictatorship. So don't worry about it, it'll be fine...
Trump can't even be a decent person for one day, what makes them think they would be a decent dictator for only a day?
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I dont understand American politics, but how can this cunt even be allowed to run for president after all the illegal shit he has been found guilty for?
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Dollar store orange Julius geezer
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