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An investigation by Gamers Nexus found LG smart TVs sweep local networks to map phones and nearby devices. Tests also showed the sets can capture microphone audio with the screen off — they then upload data once reconnected to the internet.

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[-] motruck@lemmy.zip 33 points 4 days ago

Bring on the TV firmware. Jailbreak your consoles. Use Linux or steal windows and use tools to completely rip its spyware out of it (e.g. https://revi.cc/).

Custom firmware anywhere and everywhere a device that someone supports with custom firmware is a feature worth researching.

The fucks are only going to jeep doing it. Protect yourself. Push for GDPR like laws in the US. California's privacy laws are headed in the right direction.

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[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 278 points 5 days ago

EU really should regulate against this kind of behaviour

[-] abbadon420@sh.itjust.works 125 points 5 days ago

Problem us that there are too few tech literate politicians

[-] inari@piefed.zip 116 points 5 days ago

The problem is way worse: big tech ~~contributes to~~bribes politicians to vote according to industry interests.

[-] nuko147@lemmy.world 58 points 5 days ago
[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 31 points 5 days ago

ding-ding-ding

AKA legal corruption

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[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

EU lobbies won't ever allow it.

In the later years the EU regulations have been massively disappointing. Only favouring big EU companies and destroying little businesses and the european consumers.

Some disappointing eu regulations:

  • The cookiesgate. Your data is still going around everywhere. You just have a pop up everywhere that means nothing.

  • ¿Replaceable batteries on smartphones? No, only for cheap chinese phones if so. The big players can pay for some european certification on the quality of their batteries and doesn't need to be replaceable.

  • ¿Stop killing games? Hahahaha don't ever think about it.

  • You are buying too much, we need you poorer. So we put up a 3€ tariffs per ~~category~~ product on chinese stores so you are forced to buy the exact same product to an european retailer at twice the price.

  • We heard you like the environment, what about a new complicated tax on packaging so all small business cannot function and only big business are allowed to send products within the european union.

I think the days of the EU legislation saving the day are far off.

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[-] anykey105@feddit.org 38 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I think the original coverage from Gamers Nexus should also be linked here:

https://youtu.be/6IFVTcM28KA

[-] PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago

Could you consider removing the ?is=... parameter from the link? That and si are tracking parameters used by YouTube to track who you refer videos to.

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[-] Avicenna@programming.dev 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

accountablity? none. consequences? none (maybe a slap on the wrist at most).

[-] pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

A fine of .02% of a day's profit.

[-] manualoverride@lemmy.world 223 points 5 days ago

Secretly recording conversations in peoples homes sounds like it should be against the law in a number of countries.

Imagine someone working for the government, security services, or a defence contractor. I suspect LG may be in trouble with a number of National Security agencies.

[-] Seppo@sopuli.xyz 168 points 5 days ago

It is illegal. Unfortunately crime is legal for corporations. They just pay the crime fee and can continue undisturbed. Shareholders must be held responsible individually, otherwise it will only get worse.

[-] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 51 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Shareholders must be held responsible individually

So, are you personally on the hook here because the company managing your pension fund is holding stocks in LG? Because that technically makes you a shareholder as it was bought with your money, right?

Edit: not sure why I get downvoted, this is a legitimate concern/nuance to the debate. The managing company doesn't own these stocks so they're not the shareholders, that's the people whose money they are managing, but these people are not directly in control of the funds. Who is the liable party in this?

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[-] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Not shareholders. Decision makers. Upper management. Shareholders should pay in share value (the financial penalty to the corporations should be high enough to affect that), bu the personal an criminal responsibility belongs to managers, CEO in particular.

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[-] SquareScarletCougar@lemmy.world 31 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

This is a good time to remind everyone to:

I hope it helps!

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[-] godsammitdam@lemmy.zip 83 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

"We own the glass, we own the TV, we own the living room. We know who is in an LG home." --LG President of Ads

These are the Gamers Nexus videos btw. Support them and their work. Get some cool shirts and physical media while you're at it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5KnFmKjFTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IFVTcM28KA

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[-] nullspace@lemmy.world 64 points 5 days ago

"The toaster is listening" in 2006 🤣

"The toaster is listening" in 2026 😬

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[-] A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 93 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Waiting for the "No idea how this happened, we're sorry and promise to make this better in future versions" moment - instead of admitting that this is just part of their business model.

Hoping for prosecution from the EU and at least one other country.

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[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 27 points 4 days ago

I mean I know it's about LG but they are all doing this.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago

there was a time.. long past I suppose ..when this would have been an outrage and politicians would be holding press conferences where they took crowbar swings to such devices. Things sure have changed.

[-] graycube@lemmy.world 72 points 5 days ago

My LG TV runs WebOS, which is a linux distro. I have been wondering how hard it is to root and replace with a distro of my own choosing. I had thought because my TV is pretty old that I was safe from the more sophisticated spying, but last week it interrupted what I was watching and would not let me continue using it without agreeing to new terms of use. This revived my interest in rooting it.

[-] RunJun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 31 points 5 days ago

I saw this linked the other day. I haven’t looked into it deeply or done it.

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[-] harrybo93@lemmy.world 49 points 5 days ago

I have a Samsung TV that I suspect does this. Once upon a time (back when I was less knowledgeable about this practice) I connected my TV to the internet. I have since been totally I able to forget my network from the TV, even a factory reset didn't wipe the network settings from it. I've had to block it from the network at a router level.

I only discovered it was still doing this when I got a new router, and I had a popup on my TV saying "software update downloaded and complete" and I was wondering how tf it did that even though I'd gone through the process of forgetting the network, and seemingly the settings showed it had been "done".

Shady fucks.

[-] krypt@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Checks out. I wish this was a conspiracy - but they got caught shaking hands w CIA. most people forgot

using US tech - either domestic or foreign; youre being spied by both marketers or governments. sad but true

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vault_7

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-hacked-samsung-smart-tvs-wikileaks-vault-7/

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/07/cia-targeting-devices-smartphones-pc-tv-wikileaks

https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_15728810.html

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[-] kaotic@lemmy.world 32 points 4 days ago

This is why my tv’s don’t get internet access.

[-] merc@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago

My TVs don't get connected to the network because TV companies have started showing ads, and that was bad enough. Then came the fact that a lot of TV apps were making your TV into a residential proxy, making your TV into part of a botnet. And now, on top of all that, they're spying on you.

The ads were bad enough.

In any reasonable world you would have control over devices in your house that contained computers and would be able to remove bad software and install your own stuff. But, these devices are all covered by section 1201 of the DMCA which makes it a crime to bypass any access control software. This is how Apple is able to block alternate app stores. It's why printer ink is the most expensive liquid on the planet. It's why John Deere is able to remotely brick a tractor anywhere in the world, and prevent farmers from fixing their own farm equipment.

What's especially galling about this is that, the US forced the rest of the world to adopt this bullshit as a part of trade treaties, threatening that any country that didn't do it might lose tariff-free access to the US economy. And now what happened? Trump just ripped up those treaties anyhow and imposed the tariffs anyhow.

I just wish there was a country brave enough to rip up the IP agreements the US forced on them and allow us to actually own our own stuff again.

[-] Datz@szmer.info 14 points 4 days ago

They speculated it could connect anyway via some router brands, that allow specific devices to connect automatically. Since cases like that happened.

So if it's range of neighbours' routers, you might be fucked anyway. They didn't confirm it though, to be clear.

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[-] rmrf@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

This is a felony in most 2 party consent states.

[-] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

Every day I'm grateful I bought a screen and not a "smart" TV

[-] lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 34 points 5 days ago

Suggestions for people who only need and want a good screen instead of an ad infested spy station?

[-] macros@feddit.org 21 points 5 days ago

Use them as such, why would you give your screen Internet? Attach a Mediacenter of your choice, e.g. Kodi.

Update firmware over USB.

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[-] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 56 points 5 days ago

I ran a packet capture on my TV as I left it turned off overnight.

They wake up in the middle of the night, do "stuff" then go back offline. Like a zombie.

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[-] 4grams@awful.systems 29 points 5 days ago

I thought I had disabled everything but mine was still connected to WiFi. Thanks for the reminder. I disconnected it and blocked it at the router.

Tired of doing this for so many devices. We truly live in a full on surveillance state.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

this is precisely why i never "pair" the voice remote that came with my vizio. just keep using the dumb one from a previous model

[-] Fancy_Gecko@lemmy.ml 28 points 5 days ago

in capitalist America , you don't listen to tv , tv listen to you !

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[-] whaleross@lemmy.world 46 points 5 days ago

Ugh. So blocklists were not enough. Time to isolate my telly on the router.

[-] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 59 points 5 days ago

If your television is connected to any network at all its already too late.

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[-] RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip 38 points 5 days ago

So this is why every product started to go standby, low power mode, instead of turning off.

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[-] kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

And that's why I have a VLAN without outbound connections allowed. Still allows me to cast to the device from a separate vlan but the TV has no internet at all.

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[-] Lippy@fedia.io 31 points 5 days ago

Stuff like this is why I'm still holding on to my old TV for dear life. It's seen better days but it's at least easily repairable.

The amp went bad which causes the internal speakers to give up after a couple of minutes, so I just run it with a soundbar. Then one of the cats broke the optical port for it, so now it's taped on lol. The panel still works great, so I think I'll just replace the main board on it to keep it going for a few more years.

Once something on it finally goes where repairing it becomes unviable, then I've no idea where to go from there. I guess I'll just keep buying used TVs and fix them up.

[-] upandatom@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago

As people say in these threads everytime, just don't give your tv Internet access.

Seems smart to avoid LG as well.

[-] wewbull@feddit.uk 30 points 5 days ago

It's still listening and recording. The recent Gamers Nexus video shows that the just store everything locally until they find a way to send it. They're always scanning the radio for other access points too.

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[-] friend_of_satan@lemmy.world 27 points 5 days ago

Back in the 90's we had designated computer desks, where the big ass CRT and big ass desktop PC lived. Most people would use a surge protector power strip with a master power switch, and they would use that one switch to turn on and off the CRT monitor, PC, printer, desk lamp, etc..

That seems like a great idea right about how.

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