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‘Spider-Noir’ wins 5 Emmys on Sunday after being canceled on Friday (www.goldderby.com)

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[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 108 points 1 week ago

Cancelations like this are why I have, one by one, canceled every steaming service I had. Every new show, regardless of whether or not it is good or well loved, is guaranteed to be canceled if it doesn't somehow become wildly successful and a cultural staple (like Game of Thrones before it went downhill) and bring in near infinite money and new money making opportunities... so why bother watching it?

This stupid pattern of refusing to followup with any additional investment if it doesn't instantly go gangbusters is exhausting and betraying fans across markets. The executives attribute no value to long-term reputation anymore - it's just a resource to be spent making a quick buck. Great brand, product, or IP with loyal customers? Buy it. Three choices - 1. Cut every imaginable cost, milk the brand dry, maybe load it with debts and go bankrupt if it doesn't last very long, rinse and repeat. 2. Invest a shitload of money in it to manufacture a worldwide success (but don't actually invest energy making sure it is in good hands), rush it with even more money, then when it fails to meet expectations you shove it in the closet to try again next decade when fans forget how much you fucked up the last one... or maybe sell it to someone else if you've fucked it up too many times. 3. Find a way to slowly trap customers with false promises and low prices and slowly ruin it until it is a thoroughly enshittified but profitable mess and milk it dry.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 30 points 1 week ago

Thing is, when you have no pride for your work and only care for money, this strategy makes sense. People don't even boycott companies for serious evil acts, they aren't going to cancel a subscription because they lost one show, and TV shows are consumables: there's always a new one to watch, so people just pivot to that. Keep doing that until you get your blockbuster and you can claim your executive bonus.

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

When it comes to shows, I guess I'm weird in that I'm particularly bothered by unfinished endings.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 4 points 1 week ago

We all are, but for how many is it enough to cancel a subscription?

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Enough for me, since I've canceled all of them.

I only had a prime subscription last year because my elderly mother used it constantly for both streaming and shipping and I could help her out financially by "sharing" my subscription with her.

I was too troubled by Amazon's behavior in general to even be willing pay for my mothers subscription so that's gone too.

It's insane to me that the older generations can be aware of Amazon's behavior, be appalled by it, but still justify buying everything from them because of the convenience. I guess that's why they aren't changing.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 3 points 1 week ago

It's not just the older generations

[-] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago

To be fair, Spider-Noir was basically a standalone story. They didn't leave any cliffhangers, or even tease anywhere for a season 2 to go.

The season basically ended with "and then they went on to have more adventures!"

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I appreciate shows that can exist as they are.

However, it was canceled so while the show may not have any dangling cliffhangers there was a chance that it would continue so I still say fuck Amazon. I'd say that anyway, for a multitude of other reasons, but the show having no cliffhanger doesn't absolve Amazon from bring greedy pricks about it.

[-] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

Just because they wrote it in a way to make a Season 1 cancellation fine without lingering stories, that doesn't mean that was the intention.

If it was intended to be a single season mini series, it would have been pitched and greenlit that way in the first place.

[-] Bahnd@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

It seems some writers have caught on that a second season is not always a given (even if its in the contracts, looking at you Netflix and Inside-Job). So writers are adapting to the landscape and making sure there are fewer loose ends (Amazon and Good Omens being another example).

[-] AmyAye@nord.pub 8 points 1 week ago

Yeah, it also feels.like they are still trying to apply old ratings models to shows. Like "Ae didn't get X million watchers day one so its a flop!!!!"

I have so many shows I ended up watching long after they were gone with streaming.

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

I'm bothered by shows that don't get wrapped up because they were canceled, so I do the same. If it ends up being finished and reviewed well enough, I'll borrow it from the library or otherwise acquire it later. I'd be happy to pay for it but I don't want to reward this bullshit or give horrible companies any more money.

It's really frustrating because there truly is no ethical consumption under capitalism but I do want to reward good entertainment and the people who do good work on it.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

I wish they went with the old ratings model. Now the model just seems to be have always have a show that will have new episodes... someday. So they make a handful of episodes every few years, just enough to make people feel like they should stay subscribed.

With the old model where they wanted people to see as many ads as possible they'd make 26 episodes running from fall to spring. Some re-runs in the summer then new episodes in the fall.

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

They aren't in the content business, they are in the gambling business.

At best 'Spidey,' will double it's audience.

A new GOT will give them ten times as many watchers, and generate spin-offs.

[-] theparadox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

That's all every large corporation ultimately seems interested in. Gambling.

[-] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

There's gambling where you are paying the house to play, and there's gambling where the house is looking for new investments.

[-] binarytobis@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Same. I was actually willing to pay for different streaming services making original content at first. One by one I swore them off forever.

[-] tiramichu@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 week ago

One season was enough. It doesn't need any more.

And that's a good thing.

Show runners need to stop designing shows to have sequels, and start designing them to actually bloody finish.

[-] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 22 points 1 week ago

Sucks that it's cancelled. Glad I was able to see what they put out. I watched in black and white.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago

I watched in color and really enjoyed it, damn good show.

[-] Donjuanme@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

Can they renew the tick for season 3 instead?

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 10 points 1 week ago

I still have not managed to watch the first episode.

[-] degen@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

I watched the first episode and it really didn't look great

[-] krashmo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

I watched a few at someone else's place and it didn't get much better. It felt like the whole show existed just to get Nic Cage using a 1920s detective accent. To be fair, that was pretty funny, but it's also supremely distracting from the plot.

[-] TheEEEdiot@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

I too had canceled Amazon Prime years ago.

[-] Obituarykidney@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Ain't need a subscription to watch tv 🏴‍☠️

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 1 week ago

I should have said finished it. I have watched like half. im pretty picky on media nowadays.

[-] hash@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 week ago

Something something Linux ISOs.

[-] Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 week ago

I watched the first episode and it didn't hook me at all. I couldn't bring myself to watch anymore.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

That's only eighty million dollars per Emmy!

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 6 points 1 week ago

Who doesn't want more of 64 year old Nicholas Cage pretending to be a 40 year old playing a superhero famous for his speed and ability?

[-] ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world 5 points 1 week ago

Cinematography, sound editing, stunt coordination, title design, and visual effects.

Title design?

Ther is no way I'm giving Jeff Bezos a cent for a good TV title design.

[-] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ther is no way I'm giving Jeff Bezos a cent...

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

emmys aside the show was not that great. maybe it could have improved given another season but of all cancellings this isn't the one to get up in arms about.

[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

We don’t always have to have unending numbers of seasons. One and done is a good thing.

[-] Twongo@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

tbf it dropped the ball after the big mystery was revealed mid-season

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

In what way? I despise mystery box shows that jump from mystery to mystery saving a reveal for the final of the season as a gimmick to trick you into watching.