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[-] unitedwithme@lemmy.today 145 points 1 week ago

I'm willing to work 4x 7 hour days. If you think about the last 30 years of computer enhancing productivity, we're owed a lot!

[-] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 73 points 1 week ago

I work like a truck, so 4x4 would be appropriate.

[-] harmbugler@piefed.social 49 points 1 week ago

I work like a piece of wood, so 2x4 is all I'm asking

[-] frank@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 week ago

And they're really like 1.6x3.5

[-] jimerson@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I work like a Dolly, 9 days a week 5 hours a day.

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[-] pipi1234@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Thank you, it was a long time since I shared this insightful graph. https://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

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[-] gergolippai@lemmy.world 110 points 1 week ago

it's kinda bringing a "0 hour work" week for a lot of people.

[-] themachinestops@lemmy.dbzer0.com 48 points 1 week ago

I don't care if they bring 0 work day if they pay me universal income. I could learn full stack, draw, read books, open a company, etc. Now all I do is word, excels, and a tiny bit of incident response.

I went to college for spreadsheets.

Obligatory shoutout to read David Graeber's "Bullshit Jobs".

[-] radiouser@crazypeople.online 80 points 1 week ago

It needs to bring a UBI with it.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 week ago

Oh that note, looking back, Andrew Yang might have been the best choice for a nominy in 2020.

Imagine if chatGPT came out and then the president of US, who fully understands the enshitification and rug pull model of Silicon Valley just slapped a huge VAT tax on it, or maybe forced companies to charge the real price.

Man Biden was such a bad choice in 2020

[-] apudgypanda@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 week ago

corpo dems gonna corpo

[-] HarkMahlberg@kbin.earth 12 points 1 week ago

I'll give you that on Biden but nuh uh on Yang.

On February 17, 2022, Yang announced the launch of a Web3 community whose membership token fees would be used to fund lobbying work on behalf of Web3, blockchain, and cryptocurrency interests on Capitol Hill.[64]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Yang

Ideologically, Forward is populist and reformist, and a representative of centrism in the United States. It considers itself to be the center within the American political spectrum, although the party has also been described as big tent or syncretic due to its unwillingness on holding any firm stances or positions,[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_Party_(United_States)

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[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

UBI without price control is useless. Rent is just going to go up by that amount and same for utilities, food, etc.

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[-] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 52 points 1 week ago

4 day work week would be already possible if we didn't use a sizable amount of our industry production to just make useless crap. It would be 3 days, if we abolished planned obsolescence and made thing repairable.

[-] OrganicMustard@lemmy.world 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

According to Bullshit Jobs it would be less than half the working hours if we just stopped doing those

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[-] kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago

I hate how people are so used to getting ripped off that they hear “four day work week” and assume that it’s going to be 4-10’s.

Like this is Bernie. He’s not perfect, but he gets this type of shit right. Obviously he’s advocating a 32 hour, 4-day work week. It says so in the article that apparently no one read. But people are just so inured to everything getting worse all the time. Damn.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I also think companies should start paying for commute times, and that the time paid should be adjusted based on the cost of living in the area and the salary.

Of someone chooses to live 3 hours away when they could live in walking distance, that's one thing. But I work for a municipality in a prohibitively expensive area. 0 city employees live in the city they work and literally 100% of households are multi-millionaires or better. I have a 90-120 minute commute depending on traffic because that's where I can afford to live on my salary, but it also means I'm essentially working 3-4 hours extra a day.

Of course the city isn't gonna pay me 50% again more money, but if they were required to pay for my commute time they'd suddenly agree that I only really need to be in the office about once a week for public meetings since mostly what I do is Teams meetings, plan review, phone calls and emails, which could be done just as easily from my home office as at City Hall.

Shit - I get more done remote because I don't have to deal with people walking in without an appointment and demanding a meeting.

[-] multiplemigs@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

best companies can do is: fuck you get back in the office. butts in seats. 29/8 grindset. ₖᵢₗₗ ₘₑ

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

Not to be argumentative or anything like that, just wanted to state that I used to have a job where we worked 4 tens and I loved it. Two more hours a day kinda sucked, but having a 3 day weekend every week was nice. Granted, 4 8s would be better if I still made the same money every week.

[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"Should"

The USA left "should" in about 1950. There is no "should" here.

Workers were abandoned by the Democrats long ago. Union membership is now less than 10% (and most of that is government employees, ironically)... it was almost 50% back in the "good old days".

There is no labor party in the USA, there is no anti-war party, there is no anti-billionaire party. There should be. But there's not.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 33 points 1 week ago

Stop giving AI more credit than it deserves. It's not going to change the world, it's not going to revolutionise industries, it's going to keep spitting out verbose nonsense until we get bored of it.

[-] NuanceDemon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 47 points 1 week ago

Im surprised there are still people down on this first step of the ladder you're lingering on.

Even most AI pessimists these days agree its useful as a force multiplier, allowing one person to do a bit more work in a given time frame, while still maintaining that its not competent enough to entirely replace a human in all but the most fringe cases.

"Its useless and acheives nothing" is not a realistic take and anybody who does any kind of office job and has used an ai in the past year would be able to tell you the same.

You can remain anti-ai while still being realistic that it can be useful.

Especially if you acknowledge that the product is not the root of the problem, the late-stage capitalist system its being built to serve is the problem.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 36 points 1 week ago

It sure is useful at making my boss post a lot of conflicting things because AI can’t understand context at all. “Force multiplier” doesn’t mean it’s multiplying good things. It can just as easily multiply nonsense.

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[-] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)
  1. The cost of operating these machine learning systems is too high, and the benefit too low:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemmagreen/2026/07/02/ai-costs-more-than-the-people-it-replaced/

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/tech/artificial-intelligence/ai-costs-spiral-as-firms-lose-spending-control/articleshow/131397973.cms

https://cybernews.com/ai-news/ai-token-human-salaries-automation-spending-tech-execs/

  1. The most productive thing the current generation of machine learning systems has done is fill the Internet with garbage:

https://www.pcworld.com/article/1971683/ai-is-filling-up-the-internet-with-garbage-spam-sites.html

https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/over-50-percent-internet-ai-slop

https://mashable.com/article/ai-generated-internet-era-already-here

  1. LLMs are real, AI is fake.

https://pluralistic.net/2026/09/12/god-in-the-box/#llms-are-fake

The current trends in software development are being driven primarily by the interests of venture capitalists who are trying to escape the debts they acquired buying into Web 3.0 (remember Web 3.0?), the Metaverse/VR, and cryptocurrency. They're looking for the next big get-rich-quick option, and manipulating the market to try and force it to happen. The people making decisions about which projects get funded literally do not care if the end product is useful or destructive or whatever, as long as it looks convincing enough to get other people to buy it. This is why there's been so much recent hype about "AI" "escaping" its test environments and hacking other companies &etc. It makes the product sound more capable than it is in reality. It's also why the Trump administration is all-in on "AI" development and actively threatening people who object - because Trump loves a good scam that he can make money off of, and he loves to respond with violence or threats of violence when people get in his way.

The current generation of machine learning models requires vast amounts of input data to achieve useful outcomes. The entire content of the public Internet has already been scraped and ingested. There is no more training data to feed in. The current systems will gain marginal improvements in efficiency and in focusing the models to perform better at certain tasks, but that will be it. They will not magically become capable of learning new tasks for which there is not millions of data points for training. The training is done, refining is in progress, but there will not be any major leaps in capability. There certainly won't be a general artificial intelligence.

Maybe the next generation of machine learning will produce software that can teach itself without an Internet's worth of input data. That will happen after the current market implodes, and another generation or two of research and development is completed.

Perhaps there is some value in the current generation as you say. Whatever the benefit of it might be, the cost is far too high. It is not and never will be worth the damage being done to the Internet, the economy, human society, and the environment we all live in.

And I haven't even gotten into generative models being used to create child exploitation material, run massive scam operations, produce massive amounts of propaganda, or enable the authoritarian surveillance state. This stuff is trash, the people in charge of the development are trash, the people peddling it are trash, the people funding it are trash, and the people that support it are trash.

Get correct.

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[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 29 points 1 week ago

"Its useless and acheives nothing" is not a realistic take and anybody who does any kind of office job and has used an ai in the past year would be able to tell you the same.

I have an office job and I can tell you it’s useless.

Sure you might feel like your being more productive but that’s only because your lowering your output quality.

Reducing cost by reducing quality has always existed.

Think about it this way, if you reach support helpline, would you feel like your getting the same quality support if it’s a chatbot?

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 week ago

Possibly, but there's no practical use for it in my industry, and everything I've seen it try and do has been, at best, mediocre. I've also noticed that the people who are most enthusiastic about it are never particularly impressive themselves.

Overall, I think it gets far more credit than it deserves, from both it's fans and critics.

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[-] Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Yeah but 4x8 workdays are gonna be just as productive as 5x8, if you factor in general mood improvements.

Using AI as a scapegoat is fine, i guess

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[-] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 31 points 1 week ago

I suspect many of us will be getting 7 day weekends whether we want it or not.

[-] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 13 points 1 week ago

The first couple of long weekends are nerve wracking but eventually your body enters rotting phase and then it's not so bad and you kinda don't want your 200 day weekend to end

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[-] Brewchin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be fair, when I was in primary school, we were assured that the "digital revolution" (or whatever hype phrase was popular) would halve working hours, etc. What it didn't consider is that bosses would simply demand more productivity.

I mean at all. It didn't cross their minds that we'd be expected to be twice as productive now that everything was twice as quick. (And so on). 🤯

As history has shown, repeatedly, the only time a worker wins is when they unionise, protest and fight for improvements. You get nothing for free in the mediaeval, feudal system of the workplace.

[-] IamMoonPie@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

How about a four day work week and no AI? I’m so done with this timeline.

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[-] Almacca@aussie.zone 17 points 1 week ago

We should have a 4 day work week anyway, maximum.

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[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

4-day workweek and UBI, please.

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[-] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Let AI take over in exchange for 4 work days? Nope. Still not worth it even it we would get it.

And jesus christ, Bernie. Please don't let this AI psyslop marketing campaign be the note you end on. :-(

I mean what's next? Bernie Coin?

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[-] random_character_a@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

My workplace has hybrid system. 3 days in office and 2 days remotely.

It has shifted so, that people work their ass off during those 3 days using AI as much as possible and during those two remote days they just sit on their asses with a laptop running in the background, mouse jigger on.

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[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

"sorry, best we can do is 2 shit jobs 7 days a week. AI took all the good ones and we're not sharing a fucking thing with you"

  • billionaire scum
[-] 18107@aussie.zone 11 points 1 week ago

If less work needs to be done by humans, does that mean we can have Universal Basic Income, and get paid extra for the jobs that still need humans?

[-] seasidechapel@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 week ago

I used to travel regularly to Germany, spains and France, for instance work on production sites and equipment there. The standard legal working week currently in France is 35 hours. Currently data shows on average US workers work 34 hours a week. To be honest, it’s not that far off from the 32 hours Sanders is suggesting in his legislation he is coauthoring

[-] tmyakal@infosec.pub 21 points 1 week ago

You're missing an important distinction, though: in the US, health benefits are tied to full-time employment, and most places consider anything under 35 to be part-time. I've had several jobs that would force me to clock off if I was at risk of hitting that full-time threshold. I had times where I was struggling to make ends meet, but they wouldn't let me work more. And, at least in my state, if you take on a second job, wages from the second job are taxed at a higher rate.

So 34 American hours and the benefits associated are very different from 35 French hours. Codifying the threshold for full-time employment at 32 hours instead will only benefit white collar workers. Everyone else will just get their hours cut even further and be driven further into poverty.

Basically, we really, really need to fix American healthcare before anything else, because until we're on a single-payer system, most changes to labor law will fuck the most at-risk populations.

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[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

The issue is that you have to work 38 to 40 hours a week to get full time benefits, so most Americans aren't getting healthcare or vacation days at that level of employment, as they are considered "part time workers."

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[-] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

AI CEOs: How about a 0 day workweek (because we want to fire all you plebs)

[-] brianpeiris@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 week ago

Bless uncle Bernie, but the US is in no state to even consider this. It has installed capitalism as its king.

[-] rizzothesmall@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago

Absolutely. The AI will only work 4 days a week after everyone is laid off.

[-] LovelyMover@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 week ago

AT THE VERY LEAST! All its doing is impoverishing the majority & threatening mankind right now.

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