And yet that's light af compared to the penalties foreign automakers face in China because China doesn't want foreign cars in their country. And that was BEFORE they even knew how to make good car.

China's mission now is to be the only country whose manufacturers you can buy cars from eventually. When that happens, don't expect them to stay subsidised.

yes. they is how tariff works.

but to be fair, the chinese government is subsidizing those cars to keep their price artificially down and take over the industry.

they are still a better deal than most european EVs

all cars are super expensive these days. it's incredible how much they have go up since 2020

I'd expect team mango to shoot for 4-900% tariff

I'd feel more strongly at protecting national brands if they didn't outsource and import 99% of the car. The only national brand that primarily manufactures everything in the us is Tesla, and it's ran by an anti-union nazi.

You assume i dont want it to burn

so, not capitalism, because it can't compete?

It would be fair to tarrif the imports to the extent of the Chinese manufacturing subsidy to level the playing field.

Beyond that, let us allow them in to put some pressure on domestic manufacturers to force production of products that we can actually afford to buy as an alternative to a 50K family wagon that has fewer features and is less efficient.

Our domestic vehicle choices are woefully inadequate to the times we live in and something needs to change. Affordability is not a pipe dream is what China is teaching us - don't let that message pass you by as they build a strong economy around us.

So you agree that capitalism's primary use is not to ensure the supply of everyone's needs with the most effective usage of resources.

But rather: it's about competition on an international level. And the former kingpins (so-called "US" and Europe) try to stop their inevitable decline.

This system of oppression needs to collapse.

Ohhh this looks not bad, how is it when it comes to privacy? I was looking at something around the size of Kia Picanto. That fits very nicely (tested with real car), but electric is better.