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[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 114 points 3 days ago

Last military leader with military experience and the only one since to earnestly speak out against the military industrial complex.

He's a legitimately interesting dude.

[-] Master167@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago

This prompted those groups to re-brand themselves into the tech sector based in a valley in California.

[-] WR5@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

He was not the last; JFK also had military experience.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago

Jfk was al not a military leader in the military, he was a serviceman in a minor role. Eisenhower was a literal general and was in leadership roles from 1918 to 1945ish iirc. ≠ jfk had a military understanding whereas Eisenhower had military leadership experience which is why I phrased it the way I did.

[-] WR5@lemmy.world 5 points 3 days ago

Okay I see now what you meant. However, what you said was "last military leader with military experience". JFK was commander in chief as the president (I.e., military leader) and was in the military (I.e., military experience).

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Sure but then every president is a military leader and it would be meaningless but i get the confusion, i do phrase things oddly fairly often.

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[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

Kennedy won a medalmof Honor for his service. George HW Bush was shot down in WWII.

But neither were military leaders, which is what I think he was referring to. Ike was the commander of the largest military alliance in the history of the world prior to becoming President. When he spoke out against the MIC, he did it from a position of absolute understanding.

[-] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 days ago

I don't know a lot about him, and I'm fairly confident that I'd think he was an imperialist chud, but I rember his fairwell address being kinda based in a lot of ways:

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

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[-] Wilco@lemmy.zip 49 points 3 days ago

These Republicans were actually Liberals, this was the "Party of Lincoln". The democrats at the time were conservatives.

The political poles literally flipped around 1965.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today 13 points 3 days ago

For those wondering, it wasn't some quick, clean swap. It lasted from the 30's through the 60's, so when conservatives say "oh yeah, but what about...", their tiny rat brains can't imagine that it took conservatives over 30 years to steal the Republican Party from the progressives. They called their theft The Southern Strategy and made little secret of it.

Conservatives have always been evil and will always be evil. Always.

[-] architect@thelemmy.club 4 points 3 days ago

It’s actually still happening. There are democrats in backwards places in local government that never changed.

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[-] blitzen@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

The political poles literally flipped around 1965.

How would you reconcile that statement with the Democratic Party under FDR (well before 1965?)

[-] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

The center used to be way farther to the left. Both parties needed to cater to the working class. Modern conservatism is bullshit.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

The conservative Democratic Party base in the south absolutely hated FDR. He won the conservative Dem vote in the north because he promised to bring them out of poverty. But, he was a progressive in conservative clothes when it came to human rights. Conservatives absolutely despised him for being a dedent human, but he did save them (and the rest of the nation) from poverty.

FDR winning as a Dem was the beginning of a 40 year trend of conservative candidates leaving the Dem party in disgust and running as Republicans, especially in the south where a Republican could normally never win (because Republicans were historically the progressives).

Conservatives were stealing the Republican party from the progressives and simultaneously punishing the (normally conservative) Democratic party for not being bigoted enough. These confusing election fights happened throughout the south (and eventually the north) for decades.

By the 60's, conservatives couldn't hide all their deception in elections and just started doing it in the open, calling it their "Southern Strategy" as if they were clever strategists and not lying, racist traitors trying to confuse voters and steal an entire political party.

The party swap was fully complete by the late 60's. Conservatives immediately started taking credit for freeing the slaves, because all conservatives are pathological liars. Always have been and always will be.

[-] Dnb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 days ago

So many don't understand this its crazy

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 48 points 3 days ago

Isn't this before the Southern strategy?

Yup, the flip happened around 1965 after the civil rights act.

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[-] NEZ27@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 days ago
[-] resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 11 points 3 days ago

The ol’ switcharoo.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 53 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Oh yeah, no matter which party and how they viewed things, were still conservative dirtbags fucking with other people not white.

[-] ianhclark510@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 days ago

Thank you brave internet weevil, you bored the words right out of my mouth

[-] 64bithero@lemmy.world 36 points 3 days ago

Perfect example of why the political party system is pointless. I’d argue if anything it’s a tool used to undermine the whole democratic process

[-] Major_Tsiom@fedia.io 21 points 3 days ago

I agree; particularly the two party system we have. It effectively splits us into teams fighting each other instead of those in power.

[-] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago

The town of Cheran in Mexico got rid of their corrupt mayor who is in the pocket of cartels. They also got rid of political parties because they believe it only cause divisions. The town then adopted an anarchist system whereby they elect a leader once a year. They set up their own militia patrols. So far, they've been successful.

[-] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Haha yeah we should have a single party compose only of workers with representatives paid only as much as their average constituant and subject to instant recall 👀

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[-] Davel23@fedia.io 22 points 3 days ago

The same president who warned of the rise of the military-industrial complex.

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 2 days ago

White* low-income families

Before the Southern Strategy

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[-] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 8 points 3 days ago
[-] SwissArmyKazoo@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

A wild Richard Nixon carrying a bucket of watergate and liberal elitism appears

[-] RedSnt@feddit.dk 5 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

During the great depression the US of pedos even toyed with the idea of "technocratism". Alas.

[-] RockBottom@feddit.org 5 points 3 days ago

People like the 50s econmics.

Banana republic man. Love to see some great party switch content.

At some point in time both parties were equally racist, blood-thirsty and anti-communist, then the Republican party went above and beyond for more votes.

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