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From Janeway, Picard and Sisko to modern Star Trek: what happened to the ethical future we were once asked to imagine?

I have been watching Picard, and I am genuinely surprised by how much the ethical structure of Star Trek has changed.

I am not talking about nostalgia, and I am not saying that characters should remain exactly the same for thirty years.

I am talking about something much more fundamental.

TNG, DS9 and Voyager were built around an ethical premise that, for me, was one of the strongest elements of Star Trek:

THE END DOES NOT JUSTIFY THE MEANS.

This principle appeared again and again.

Characters could make mistakes. They could become angry, afraid, traumatised or confused. They could even cross ethical lines.

But the line existed.

And when they crossed it, Star Trek stopped and examined what that meant.

That was the difference.

The characters did not simply ask:

Can we do this?

They asked:

Do we have the right to do this? What will this choice make us? What responsibility comes with the power we have?

Voyager is probably the clearest example.

They were trying to cross an impossible distance to return home. They could have justified almost anything through survival.

But they did not.

Again and again they accepted a longer journey, greater risk and personal sacrifice because reaching home could not justify destroying another civilisation, exploiting another species or abandoning the principles they represented.

That was not weakness.

That was the entire point.

Humanity had evolved technologically, but Star Trek proposed that perhaps we could also evolve ethically.

And this is where I struggle enormously with Picard.

Picard himself feels fundamentally different.

The Picard I knew could certainly be wrong, but his reasoning had extraordinary internal coherence. He questioned himself. He debated. He understood that being captain was not simply having authority — it was carrying responsibility for how that authority was used.

The new Picard often feels reactive, impulsive and strangely ineffective.

For me, that is not simply “an older and more vulnerable Picard”.

It changes the architecture of the character.

And Seven of Nine is even more difficult for me.

Seven was one of the characters I identified with most.

Her journey in Voyager was not simply about becoming emotional or “more human”.

It was about learning how to be human while maintaining discipline, logic and integrity.

She struggled with identity, belonging and emotion, but what made her extraordinary was precisely her effort not to become governed by impulse.

She could be wrong. She could be severe. She could misunderstand human behaviour.

But revenge was never the foundation of the character.

Her relationship with the Doctor was particularly important because both of them were learning what humanity meant almost from the outside. Their logic often exposed the inconsistencies of ordinary human behaviour.

Now I find Seven driven by anger, punishment and revenge.

At times she feels closer to a Klingon archetype than to Seven of Nine.

For me, this is not character development.

It is a different character.

And the change goes beyond Picard and Seven.

The entire universe feels different.

The older Star Trek made an extraordinary effort to maintain coherence.

Character coherence.

Ethical coherence.

Political coherence.

And even scientific coherence, as far as science fiction could reasonably achieve it.

Of course there were mistakes across hundreds of episodes, but you could feel that the writers cared about the rules of the universe they were creating.

A decision made years earlier could still matter.

A species had a culture and internal logic.

Technology had rules.

Characters carried the consequences of what they had experienced.

And most importantly, Star Trek was never simply fantasy in space.

It was asking something.

What could humanity become if we improved?

Not if we became perfect.

If we improved.

What would happen if curiosity became stronger than conquest?

If responsibility became stronger than ego?

If knowledge created an obligation rather than simply power?

If we learned that having the ability to do something did not automatically give us the moral right to do it?

That was what made Star Trek different from ordinary science fiction.

It was not the Enterprise.

It was not warp drive.

It was not aliens.

It was the idea that the future could contain people who had learned something that we still struggle to understand today.

I started watching Star Trek when I was around 18, and this philosophy genuinely influenced the way I grew up.

I saw many things I already believed in expressed in a more evolved society, and it made those principles feel possible rather than naïve.

Responsibility mattered.

Integrity mattered.

The method mattered as much as the result.

The end did not justify the means.

DS9 challenged this perhaps more

  1. JANEWAY — Caretaker THE COST OF DOING WHAT IS RIGHT

“I’m not willing to trade the lives of the Ocampa for our convenience.”

JANEWAY — CARETAKER 70,000 light-years from home. The easier way home would cost someone else their future. She refuses.

  1. PICARD — I, Borg POWER DOES NOT CREATE THE RIGHT TO USE IT

Caption:

PICARD — I, BORG He could destroy the enemy that once destroyed him. Having the power does not give him the right.

  1. SISKO — In the Pale Moonlight WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE END DOES JUSTIFY THE MEANS?

Caption:

SISKO — IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT He crosses the line — and he wins. The episode is about the moral price of that victory.


JANEWAY I will sacrifice our advantage rather than sacrifice them.

PICARD I will not become my enemy in order to defeat him.

SISKO I crossed the line to save millions — now I have to live with what I became.

When did Star Trek stop making the moral cost the story — and start treating moral compromise simply as character development?

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[-] jrs100000@lemmy.world 0 points 22 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

The ends justifying the means was always an open question from TNG, it was just they were on a sliding scale that started from "no you cant execute Westly for messing up some flowers", all the say up to Die Hard with a baryon sweep. But it didnt even start there. Theres this analysis didnt start with Kirk, cause he was settling those ends with a phaser rifle personally.

[-] FriendOfDeSoto@startrek.website 2 points 1 hour ago

On a slightly unrelated note:

What's up with double-spacing every sentence?

It's really

annoying to read

if you ask me.

I think you are partially trapped in nostalgia. Star Trek has never been this philosophically pure. Picard broke the Prime Directive in S1 by having contact with the Edo. And then regrettably prevented them from executing Wesley for trespassing a flower bed. Either should've cost him his command.

When Data has an inappropriate chat with a girl on a dying planet, JLP jokes with Riker about the level the shit is up to for them. And there are no palpable consequences for any of this behaviour.

Picard doesn't feel like he should plant the Borg bug in Hugh. Admiral Valarian Canapés wholeheartedly disagrees. And while I like Picard's reasoning, from a ten thousand foot perspective I agree with her. With the benefit of hindsight, it would have prevented the best TNG movie from existing but perhaps we would have also been spared Picard S2-3.

Late TNG and early DS9 with the introduction of Starfleet Al Qaeda, i.e. the Marquis, is a turning point for me. We get more stories that are more grey. Star Trek went from Kirk coming to a planet, telling the inhabitants their culture was stupid, to more contemporarily thoughtful treatments of ethical and moral conundrums in a utopian world, to seeing where utopia rubs up against the rest of the galaxy that isn't there yet. Starfleet and the Federation are no longer exclusively the good guys. Sisko poisons an atmosphere just to catch one traitor and gets away with it. WTF?

Janeway gets a pass from me for most of her bad decisions because she tried and had to figure stuff out by herself. Tuvix be damned!

Enterprise also exists.

Third wave Trek is more grey than Marquis era Trek. It's more CGI and action oriented because they can. That saves a couple of pages of dialogue otherwise spent on ethics. It's different just like TNG was different from TOS. But it isn't a radical change if you ask me.

Early TNG isn't great until they stabilised the writers room. And then there is a continuation of development through DS9 and even into ENT. (Unfortunately including grade A assholes.) "Chaos on the bridge" is the default for Disco and Picard. And that's why they often tell weird stories that don't match up with what came before. They try to do Trek in the now passé golden age of television. And failed a lot imo.

Of all the third wave Trek, I'm most fond of Lower Decks. Because it doesn't take itself too seriously and is littered with easter eggs. Disco S2 is good. Most of SNW S1-3. Picard had moments in it but that's it. My heart's not in it any more. I watch it because I see we are entering another content drought. I even enjoy SNW S4, not because I think it's good Star Trek but because it's a middle finger to Paramount for no longer financing any new projects.

[-] exothermic@lemmy.world 12 points 2 hours ago

You’re absolutely right, it’s not the same. I refuse to watch the new franchise because I find it depresses me. It’s so far off from the shows I know and love.

I think it’s hard to blame one person for its divergence, so I blame them all. Cast, creators, producers, and writers equally.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 11 points 2 hours ago

There is such a thing as too many paragraphs.

[-] Chais@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Sadly, not everyone is familiar with markdown.

[-] usernamefactory@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I found Picard to be the most poorly written of the modern Trek series, with some great ideas wasted by haphazard and shoddy execution, but:

Season one ends with Picard convincing Soji that the safety and freedom of synthetic life is not worth welcoming entities that would destroy organic life. Instead she’s working towards peace and understanding in season 2.

Season two charts a redemption arc for no less than the Borg Collective, very much following up on the themes of I, Borg.

Season three shows the result of Section 31’s “ends justify the means” thinking during the Dominion War: enduring hatred leading to the infiltration of Starfleet and near destruction of the Federation.

It’s not well executed, and there is certainly plenty I disagree with, but I think for the most part Picard aligns with the principles you’re talking about.

[-] Isa@feddit.org 3 points 1 hour ago

My guess? In short? The people, who first made up that future and that quest for humanity are now called woke antifa sympathisers or worse. Todays filmmaker have other dreams, where the end does justify the means and so on.

[-] Tiresia@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 hour ago

It's not the filmmakers that changed, it's the centralization of power of studios. Today's woke antifa supporter filmmakers are making youtube videos or podcasts, or trying to scrounge together crowdfunding.

[-] Ariselas@piefed.ca 9 points 2 hours ago

J.J. Abrams killed it and it's been Marvelized since then.

Or maybe it was dead before that, maybe Malcolm McDowell did it

[-] haywire7@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Some of what you are saying is explained in the show, the universe they are in changed. Picard kept trying to do the right thing whilst others just reacted or took the easy way out and it kinda broke him a bit.

Seven saw a different side of the universe in the nigh on lawless frontiers and on top of that saw friends hunted for who they are and logically decided that she would be shit to people that didn't deserve her time or empathy.

The knee-jerk reactions to the androids (anything synthetic in the end) and the Romulan crisis pushed the characters to their limits, way out of their comfort zones and part of the show is them trying to get back some of what they lost or thought they'd lost.

Maybe I'm being generous in my interpretation but the fact it's open for discussion is a good thing.

[-] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 6 points 2 hours ago

Do you have any particular examples of the "the ends justify the means" attitude you seem to think is so prevalent now?

[-] becausechemistry@piefed.social 8 points 2 hours ago

Enterprise got pretty rough in seasons 2-3. But that was a reaction to 9/11 and yeah a lot of people kinda had their minds broken by that.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 50 minutes ago)

Which I think alludes to the crux of the issue: Star Trek does not REALLY take place in the 23rd century: it takes place on a series of soundstages in Los Angeles in the twentieth and twenty-first century.

Each show is an examination of the values of the moment as we want to believe ourselves. Earlier Trek was filmed in a more optimistic age; later Trek was filmed in a more jaded, bitter, cynical age. And it shows.

This is one of the reasons I love Lower Decks so much, btw: aside from the jokes, it embraces the corny wholesomeness of the Berman & Braga era. I think Strange New Worlds might. I'm curious how it feels. I haven't watched it much.

[-] becausechemistry@piefed.social 3 points 1 hour ago

That’s the best part of science fiction. On the one hand, it’s a mirror. “See, even with all their technology, they’re still people. They’re still us. Look at what we are” But on the other hand it’s a place to play with and practice ideas. “Look at what we can become.”

The best of Star Trek, I think, is the “look at what we can become.” But if things are rough out there, it turns into “look at what we are.” And it’s rough out there.

[-] andrewrgross@slrpnk.net 1 points 50 minutes ago

That's very well put.

And even then...they got there in the end. It was rather the point of the arc.

[-] Nomad@infosec.pub -2 points 1 hour ago

Well star trek is a Utopian story and as such considering a perfect ethical debacle is a good past time. Sadly the real world has to compromise between the ethics and the reality of the situation.

This is of cause a spectrum with extremes on both ends. Forced adherence to ethics while the crew suffers as well as throwing all the ethics out for survival at any cost. Both are a very simplified world view (there is only one rule that counts).

Which people on Lemmy are somewhat drawn to by definition. You see mostly two viewpoints here: avoid violence at any cost (pacifism, only one rule), or violence is the only solution (only one rule ). Both are somewhat true but also somewhat extreme. Choosing violence as a last resort and granting that perfect pacifism won't work either would be a realistic plot.

IMHO: star wars chose to movea away from the pleasanville aesthetics and moved to a more realistic version of the future that still struggles with the nature of the human condition but embraces it instead of sanitizing it.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

Look I'm foursquare against dumbing things down just to satisfy folks that don't like to read, so take this with that in mind.

That was the proverbial wall of text I couldn't make myself finish. Too damn many paragraph breaks. Some are welcome, as I deal with dyslexia and separation can help with that. But the single line paragraphs was just intolerable. Again, I'm long winded and totally get the need for extended writing to carry a point. But you gotta learn how to format better

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