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Young men are swinging away hard from Republicans, pessimistic about economy, new poll finds (www.politico.com)

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CORRECTION: A previous version of this article misstated that this poll had a likely voter screen. Democrats have a 57%-40% lead among men ages 18-30 who say they’re the most determined to vote.

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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 19 hours ago

Young men swung toward trump in 2024.

I think young men are idiots. Probably much the same reason as any republican might not vote for trump in the future. They’re fine with, or at least were willing to overlook, everything trump did up until it cost them personally. Energy prices and the rapidly rising cost of goods. If trump somehow fixed those two things you can bet these people would cruise along just fine with ICE shooting people, trump bombing schools, and killing people in boats on the ocean.

[-] likebudda@reddthat.com 7 points 16 hours ago

"I was an idiot when I was young. I still am but I was an idiot back then too." -Michael Scott

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 2 points 12 hours ago

Energy prices and the rapidly rising cost of goods. If trump somehow fixed those two things you can bet these people would cruise along just fine with ICE shooting people, trump bombing schools, and killing people in boats on the ocean.

It would actually appeal to their worldview more. You have to be a cruel asshole to get ahead is the definition of being redpilled

[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 5 points 17 hours ago

I think you are right. There is a certain type of person that does not give a fuck if others are being harmed ( and many actively cheer that on, because, well, they are demented ) but the minute they are feeling the squeeze, that's when they wake up.

If prices were to suddenly be cut dramatically, they'd probably be just fine with all the other crazy shit.

[-] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.today 3 points 11 hours ago

The certain type of person you describe is called a "conservative".

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 9 points 16 hours ago

The young men sampled are overwhelmingly concerned about cost-of-living issues — the same reason that many swung toward the GOP two years ago.

I believe we are in the age of one-term presidents, and this is why. The system is failing people, and whoever's in charge is going to get blamed the hardest. Four years is enough time for enough voters to forget how much they hate they other party, or if they remember, then their frustration with them is on the back burner.

So long as nobody does shit about the cost of living, voters will keep trying to punish whoever's in charge.

[-] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago

What would they even do about the cost of living? It's not like the companies are all going to lower their prices. My entire life the cost of living has only ever gone up. Never down. The only way to make it better would be if everyone got generous raises but the ruling class says that will make it worse

[-] AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Mamdani is trying to implement government run grocery stores. That's something isn't it?

[-] VicVinegar@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

The goal is for cost of living to go up along with wages or dollar value. Remember a nickel in the 40's was not a little bit of money. Now we hardly even think about it. And I hope your employer is at least giving cost of living raise. Don't stay at a company that goes years on end without giving any increase.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 14 hours ago

What would they even do about the cost of living?

Where there's a will, there's a way. The government could chose to spend money helping people in any number of ways, but it's always "how you gonna pay for it?" Meanwhile there's a blank check for building bombs to be dropped on Yemen, Iran, or Palestine.

Give us universal healthcare so people don't go bankrupt and lose their houses when they develop a health problem. Maybe build some of those cheap, commieblock apartments that we can rent for like 6% of our income instead of a third or more. Build public transit so we don't have to spend tons of money buying and maintaining cars. Subsidize essentials like groceries. If we weren't pouring a trillion dollars a year into terrorizing brown people on the other side of the world, we could afford to do basically anything.

All of those are things that other governments have done, but here in the States we're so used to the government doing fuck-all to the point that people start thinking it isn't even possible for the government to help anyone. But if you look at other countries, or at history, there's plenty of stuff they could do if they wanted to.

[-] Radical_Socialist_t00t@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago

No shit Look at this https://youtu.be/7lGrKW4A_xc

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

But will they vote?

[-] ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

Narrator: They didn't vote.

[-] JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip 5 points 23 hours ago

I'd rather they didn't vote instead of voting for Republicans. Granted, I wish everyone would vote but considering their voting habits maybe it's better they didn't.

[-] deacon@lemmy.world 80 points 1 day ago

As I turn into an old man, it’s almost overwhelming the realization of just how fucking dumb the average young man is.

[-] likebudda@reddthat.com 3 points 16 hours ago

Their idiocy is weaponized with social media and omnipresent gambling. Social media wasn't really real for me until I was well into my 20s and gambling was 4 hours away in Vegas. Even though I quit Facebook in 2011 and never got into twitter/insta/tiktok, I still posted on reddit for dopamine hits from strangers and bots.

[-] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

Parents forcing young boys into concussion (football) camp doesn't help. Brain damage them early

[-] deacon@lemmy.world 3 points 17 hours ago

Our parents have lead paint in their blood and our children have microplastics in their blood

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Weird angle to take, that's a pretty small segment of the population.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 12 hours ago

Is it?

https://www.tmslab.org/publications/835.pdf

From Boston University's CTE Center: It surveyed 214 former football players and found that playing before age 12 was linked to worse behavioral regulation, depression, apathy and executive function, plus higher odds of clinical depression and apathy. The early starters had about twice the risk of problems with behavioral regulation, apathy and executive functioning, and three times the risk of elevated depression scores. That held regardless of how many years they played, how many concussions they reported, or whether they reached high school, college or pro level.

[-] Soggy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Yes, it's a small segment of the population. https://projectplay.org/youth-sports/facts/participation-rates

I'm saying the statistical impact on voting trends is likely negligible, not that contact sports are a good idea for prepubescent kids.

[-] blackberry28@sh.itjust.works 10 points 23 hours ago

And it's gonna get way stupider, just wait until the brainrot Gen Alpha iPad kids have grown up lol.

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Cambridge Analytica, gamer gate, and others have steered the younger generation to the right. It was a designed psyop to make Republicans relevant again, and it worked. The younger (white) males are still in my experience pretty fucking stupid and ignorant. I hope they've opened their minds a bit, but there were (and still are) very powerful voices trying to take advantage of their insecurities and turn them into fascists. It's hard to hold them fully accountable for that reason but God damn is it hard to try to get through to these people.

[-] RaincoatsGeorge@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

Uh no, it’s not hard at all to hold them accountable. They’re stupid as fuck. The first go around with Trump.. ok I guess maybe a handful of idiots get a pass. They don’t. But since so many people were stuoid you literally have to give the ones that admit they made a mistake the benefit of the doubt.

The stupid dipshit retards that voted for him TWO MORE TIMES. No. You’re a fascist traitor dickhead and you deserve exactly what traitors deserve.

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Now give that young man a gun and a fast car!

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

Let's be honest though, when were were young, we were pretty stupid too. I mean I used to have some level of respect for Libertarians back in the day.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"Stupid" yes, but never "vote Republican" stupid.

[-] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Eh, 9/11 did a number on me, and were I of age in 2004, I would have likely voted for Bush because I was young, dumb, and ignorant. By 2008 (the first election I was 18 for) I could see the Republicans for what they were, and made it a point to vote otherwise. How anyone grows beyond a certain age and thinks these guys have the answers to fucking anything is beyond me though.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 2 points 20 hours ago

Sure but to Gen Z 9/11 is old history.

[-] deacon@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh 100%, I think that’s the overwhelming part for me. These fucking idiots keep showing me my past self.

I used to be a libertarian back in the day; partly because I didn’t understand socialism, or libertarianism for that matter. But I think mostly because my prefrontal cortex hadn’t fully developed yet so my capacity for empathy was limited.

I was pretty fucking stupid.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Hey at least we lived and learned, grew past the whole teenaged edgelord phase of things. More than I can say for some of those Gen-Xer's I grew up with.

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[-] innermachine@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

To be old and wise, one must first be young and foolish.

[-] VinegarChunks@lemmus.org 11 points 1 day ago

Good judgment comes from experience.

Experience comes from bad judgment.

[-] yakko@feddit.uk 5 points 1 day ago

Or... Uh. I feel like a dick for bringing it up. But there's also books.

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 105 points 1 day ago

Not exactly great that 40% of young men are still listening to Joe Rogan.

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 1 day ago

After the stories I've heard from a family member who teaches middle schoolers I'm glad it's only 40%.

[-] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago

I still don’t understand how he got from Fear Factor to “trusted” talking head.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 3 points 12 hours ago

He was just in the right place at the right time with podcasting.

[-] raze2012@lemmy.world 20 points 1 day ago

Its the celebrity effect. I even saw it with otherwise respected individuals like Neil DeGrasse Tyson. People fundamentally cannot understand that a person who is a subject matter expert in one are may be completely out of their element in another area. Add in social media letting then (intentionally or not) amplify their most mundane thoughts and boom. You're ah "influencer" on any topic you choose to talk about.

Joe Rogan seemed different because he had the sense to bring other smart people on and let them talk. But that mask slipped off over the years.

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[-] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Of course they are.

Party A wins election, workers make less, companies make more.
It's the last election! Party A will seize power if we don't stop them! They're cheating!
Party B wins election, workers make less, companies make more.
It's the last election! Party B will seize power if we don't stop them! They're cheating!
Party A wins... repeat for 200 years

BoTh SiDeS aren't the same, one is pro-LGBT, the other is pro-church. However, they are bOtH anti-union and pro-billionaire. For evidence, look at company profits vs. worker earnings for the past 70 years.

Each party uses the other to blame their "mistakes" (i.e. deliberate failures against popular will) on. The only "cure" presented is party A or party B, both refuse to represent the people.

Something like 80% of voters want universal healthcare, 90% Democratic support with 60% independent support and even 30% Republican support. Since the 1990s. It doesn't matter.

The vast majority of people want higher minimum wage. Undeniable. Over 20 years of "15 an hour" protests. Biden won on minimum wage platform. Doesn't matter.

Nobody wanted to go to war against Iraq. Trump won on a "no war" platform. Doesn't matter.

I vote in every election, and you should, too. Because it's funny.

[-] chahn.chris@piefed.social 16 points 1 day ago

All I know is that for my entire life when Dems are in power we have economic recovery, better healthcare, and a lot less chaos.

Every time republicans get in power we hit some kind of calamity. Republican calamities include 9/11, 2008 financial meltdown, covid, and now ICE murders + new war in Iran. Sure some of these weren’t directly caused by the admins but boy it’s weird how their general style of governance seems to open the door to shit.

I get every party benefits big business, but dems have a better track record of not ruining everything. They’re not perfect but the track record is there to show republicans are actually bad for the economy and bad for society and the world despite their weirdly effective marketing that seems to convinced a lot of people that they are the party of good business. They are clearly not, and furthermore the government is NOT a business and should not be run like one.

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[-] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 25 points 1 day ago

I hear you, but if you look at things that the progressive wing of the dems are doing, there's a clear sign that one of the parties is willing to do something. Look at Mamdani in NYC fighting against wage theft. Look at Abdul campaigning with backing from Harris and his pro labor platform and experience.

I'd cite AOC and some others, but what a lot of dems did with the train union is appalling and I have no defense for it. But I will say that they are far more pro labor than the Rs. Even the more conservative dems back programs like OSHA, which save lives.

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