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[-] Undoobitably@fedinsfw.app 12 points 6 hours ago

Fun fact: In communist China (present day) there are entire cities built and left empty to meet top-down government mandates.

Official sanitized reports show 2~2.5 million homeless Chinese, while up to 300 million suffer from housing insecurity. That's a homeless population that is nearly the population of the entire USA.

Not only that, but in this example of communism you need a permit to move to a city so you can be an illegal immigrant in your own country.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underoccupied_developments_in_China

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homelessness_in_China

[-] CobraCommander@quokk.au 8 points 4 hours ago

China is socialist in name only. In practice it is capitalism.

[-] biggie_dd@fedinsfw.app 4 points 4 hours ago

SINO

Fitting

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 15 points 5 hours ago

That's how you know China has state-sponsored capitalism, not communism or socialism.

[-] brian@programming.dev 3 points 5 hours ago

yeah as far as I understand communism in China doesn't mean good social safety nets and such as much as it means central planning. in the US at least it seems like the exact opposite. or just a general boogeyman as seen above lol

[-] fonix232@fedia.io 15 points 7 hours ago

Fun fact: there were no (involuntary) homeless people in the USSR. And even voluntary homelessness was reduced (although through forced work - if you were caught panhandling or otherwise begging for money/food, you'd be put in a worker's home and scheduled for work at whatever nearby factory or farm that needed more people).

Tons of "social housing" was built - cheap but for the time, well made blocks of flats, houses, etc., often sold at a very low price thanks to state driven programs. Homeownership rates (as in, residential housing that was occupied by its owner) was up to 90%, East Germany being the main stickler to rentals that even the hard Soviet "no landlordism" rules couldn't eradicate fully (albeit in this case the landlord was the state, and the rent was dirt cheap).

So this is one VERY SPECIFIC aspect that wasn't true under socialism/communism.

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 8 points 5 hours ago

Reducing homelessness by making it illegal isn't such a great advert for Soviets

[-] biggie_dd@fedinsfw.app 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm not saying the Soviet Union was great. It had very obvious issues (especially in the leadership and the general corruption that derailed the socialist/communist economic advancements).

And homelessness wasn't technically illegal. E.g. Romani were technically homeless and they weren't arrested for it.

Rough sleeping and panhandling were made illegal.

[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 8 points 5 hours ago

No, but reducing homelessness by having rents around 6% of people's income is.

[-] biggie_dd@fedinsfw.app 3 points 4 hours ago

And 6% was the high end, for fancier places.

[-] DarkSirrush@piefed.ca 2 points 4 hours ago

I mean, its what our governments in north america are doing instead of solving the problem.

The liberals here in Canada feel that housing is a commodity, not a right.

[-] rockerface@lemmy.cafe 2 points 2 hours ago

And it's equally fucked up, yes.

[-] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 hours ago

“Socialism is when bad things happen.”

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